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2020 Outlook

Discussion in 'Green Bay Packers Fan Forum' started by pacmaniac, Jan 21, 2020.

  1. pacmaniac

    pacmaniac Cheesehead

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    On the plus side:
    • I expect Gute will be able to fill some of the holes on the team.
    • Hopefully the offense will be better in its second year.
    On the downside:
    • Rodgers will be another year older. He is still capable of playing at a high level, but as we saw this season, his great games are becoming fewer and further between.
    • We overachieved this season. We went 9-1 in games decided by one possession. We went 6-0 in the division. Historically, teams like us are not be able to replicate that success the following year. We have some tough games on the schedule, including NO, SF, HOU, TEN. So 11-5 is a real possibility next year, which means no first round bye and yet another NFC Championship on the road if we make it that far.
    Unknowns:
    • We better hope MVS and ESB have breakout seasons, because any WRs we draft will be unlikely to have a big impact in their first year. Either that or Gute needs to sign a proven WR.
     
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  2. PackAttack12

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    I'm really optimistic (maybe more hopeful) about Equanimeous St. Brown. I thought he would be able to play a nice role this past season. If he can break out, talk about a complete game changer.

    Becoming less optimistic about MVS, but obviously hopeful.
     
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  3. Stanger37

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    plus side-
    • 2nd year TEAM all around. so many players have talked about the chemistry on this team, they got a big taste of success together, I hope they can stay hungry together.
    • deep WR draft
    • Rodgers is still the best QB in the division and I'd even say the NFC.
    • Jace Sternberger emergence and Jimmy Graham cut (fingers crossed)
    • Perhaps some FAs will look at GB as a realistic FA landing spot with the success of last years additions and will want to contribute to fill the glaring holes that were presented on Sunday.
    down side-
    • certainly having the 30th pick in the draft can possible be a shot in the dark
    • playing a first place schedule is never easier, some tough ROAD games (@NO, @SF, @HOU)
    • 13-3 from a rookie head coach, expectations are now set. I think the next 2-3 years are the real years we expected this team to peak, I hope they did not peak too soon.
    unknown-
    • EQB after missing a year, I'm done with MVS.
    • a lot of contracts will be up after this coming season, some decisions to be made
    • the flip side of the coin of how great this team got along last year is how are they going to handle real adversity together? By the grace of the football gods this team did not lose a game without Adams. They grinded out wins as a team, what happens if a key player gets hurt for a few games and they go on a 3-4 game losing skid? times are absolutely wonderful when you are winning. Who pulls this team together when that lull hits?
     
  4. Curly Calhoun

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    Interesting to see what happens with Martinez, Bulaga, & Crosby.

    Also if they lock up Clark long-term.

    Drafting 30th.
     
  5. Raleigh NC Packers Fan

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    Personally, I think that we need to go "all in" on 2020 and have a really big off season, making some big moves. Although I do agree that we had a great season, we did overachieve(our record was better than our team stats would indicate) and we also had some luck(winning a lot of close games). Not to mention our weaknesses got exposed by SF. Combine this with the fact that Aaron Rodgers isn't getting any younger and considering the fact that a lot of our players contracts are going to be up in 2021, at least from what I am hearing, the window for winning a Super Bowl in the immediate future may be closing.

    I hope that management realizes this.
     
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    I think Martinez is gone. Just my opinion but he’s not much more than “just a guy”. He’ll want more than GB will be willing to pay him. Let someone else overpay.

    As for Bulaga, ideally they get him to agree to a one or two year deal. I have a hunch someone will give him a longer contract. That creates a big hole at RT that has to be filled somehow.

    I don’t see a need to let Crosby go. He had a great year and kickers can play into their early 40s.

    And yes, definitely, get Clark wrapped up in a multi-year deal.

    On top of that, they need a TE (unless Sternberger takes a big jump), a #2 veteran tight end (or through a WR-rich draft), and a real ILB to replace Martinez.

    They don’t need a lot, it’s a matter of what they can afford. Oh and they need Pettine to wake up and realize the run has to be defended as well as the pass.

    Finally, Jimmy Graham and his $10 mil contract need to go.
     
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  7. RicFlairoftheNFL

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    MVS shouldn't be on this roster after final cuts in 2020.
     
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  8. tynimiller

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    Folks stop.

    MVS flat lined any kind of progression but has still had one of the best statistical starts in their first two years a wide receiver has had in Green Bay. The kid's route tree is abysmal in the opinion of this keyboard coach not present at practices and such, merely off of reviewing game plays and watching them live. Rawfully skilled, but coming out of lower college competition level you have to squelch your expectations. Vastly too many folks are grading or having an opinion on MVS based only on the fact he failed in his second year to be a guaranteed #2 level receiver. Something Adams wasn't even asked to do, nor IMO could he have truly done in his second year.

    As some already know here is the two of them statistically put up (not going to state which is which):

    Receptions Targets Yards TD
    64 129 1,033 4
    88 159 929 4

    I 100% am skeptical of MVS ever becoming a #2B even...but I do foresee him as a viable #3 or #4 that is your stretch the Defense with his burners if nothing else.
     
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    For reference....Jordy Nelson had 55 receptions, 686 yards and 4 touchdowns on 86 targets his first two years as a second round pick....
     
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    Anyone catch Blake Martinez's interview which appears to have been today or yesterday? He was extremely emotional and appears to know future isn't in Green Bay....
     
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    This isn't asked in an argumentative manner but more of an interested in your opinion as to why. Why the screeching halt of snap counts and targets? In the most important games of the season, win or go home, he played 6 snaps. He was targeted 15 times since the bye. Does MLF not know how to use him? Does AR not trust him? Those numbers are staggering. Not sure those are even #4 WR levels at this point.
     
  12. tynimiller

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    He clearly drowned in expectations this year and others did not. Pushing such a rawfully skilled player still on a rookie contract however is extremely ignorant IMO unless you clearly have cheaper and better options to battle for #4-#6 spots. Dude at best will grow into a #3 in my opinion...or could bust and not ever see a second contract...but WAAAAAAY to early to declare either way.
     
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    Think it was right after the game..could explain high emotions.
     
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    Playing @ NO and @ SF in possible tie breaker games? That really sucks those aren't at Lambeau!!! Cost us homefield this year and in 2014 @ Seattle.
     
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    I think he's one of those they were talking about that just doesn't get the offense. They see the skill, and tried coaching him thru it and eventually decided we have to get people out there so we can run an offense.
     
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    I've erased 2014 from my memory. I'd love to believe if SF came to GB week 12 it'd be different, but they had opportunities against Eagles and Chargers as well. But 2 gifts with the Lions, gift from KC that Mahomes wasn't playing. They had their share of favorable breaks. But it is at least two years in a row that their road schedule stinks a little more.

    That is where I am at, I am ready to write him off. Let him try and compete this offseason with a drafted rookie and move on if does not improve. Not many people come to MVS defense that I have read so I was interested in hearing. I've have my bias goggles on when it comes to him so perhaps I was missing something due to that.
     
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    I think no one is going to swoop in and defend MVS in the sense of believing he is going to be a stud, but the claim some have been saying to cut him is ignorant in my opinion. Rookie contract still, dude has raw burner ability and well worth keeping around unless you have 5 or 6 CLEARLY better options..which we do not presently. We may entering the 2020 season but right now I'm only putting Adams and Lazard ahead of him 100%.

    I love EQ and personal opinion is he is higher for sure. I'd also not argue against saying GMo is ahead as well should he return...but that puts him at worst our 5th best option which atm on a rookie contract is hurting nothing to see if he grows.
     
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    I too believe that MVS will be on the 53 man roster for 2020, but it shouldn't be viewed as a guarantee. He needs to improve and he needs to dive into the playbook this offseason and prove that he can be relied upon consistently if his number is called.

    There's a reason that his snaps and targets nose dived down the stretch. I love the potential, but if he can't find a way to put it all together, he might be on the outside looking in.

    A lot will depend upon what I just mentioned as far as his personal progression, along with how much resources Gute pumps into the WR group.

    Again, I believe he'll be on board. But it's far from a foregone conclusion.
     
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    Oh 100% it is a viable thought to think by the time pre-season closes he literally finds himself as #7 or worse and gone...or worst case he could be as high as #3...but that would mean an immense failure by Gute OR injuries. I 100% don't want him any higher than the #4 spot until he shows growth...right now his great two season stat line is thanks purely to his raw skills and fact got pushed up the depth chart not by his play but default...but without growth that is all he will ever be.
     
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    It's really hard for me to imagine the Packers matching up well against the likes of SF within AR12's remaining career.

    Sure, we get SF to schlog through the mud at Lambeau we can slow them down. But to have to depend on this to mask our overall lack of speed?

    My (sad, and regretful) prophesy is that we won't see another SuperBowl with AR12 under center.

    Now who do you suppose we can get lined up for Hall of Famer #3 in a row?
     
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    With all the rule changes that make the passing game easier, I don't think it will be that difficult to find another good QB. We could find a Kirk Cousins type QB, a good but not great QB, and with a good running game and defense, win it all. Hell, Troy Aikman was such an overrated QB, but he still won 3 SBs and made it into the HOF.
     
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    As of now, MVS will be fighting for his job. GB should and likely will sign 2 more WR who are graded higher than MVS, not to mention EQ returning. MVS is essentially the #5 or #6 WR and rightfully so.
     
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    Here’s my priority list (with a guess as to how they could be acquired)
    Starter Capable
    ILB (FA starter..lose Martinez)
    DT (FA starter) Kenny’s tandem
    TE (FA starter.. lose Graham)
    WR (#30 overall) Top 5WR 2020 prospect through Rodgers contract
    ILB/SS hybrid (#62 overall)
    Plus
    WR (#94 overall)
    C (4th round.. lose Linsley add 8.5M)
    CB (5th rounder)
    P (6th round)
    ST (7th round)
     
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    Speed and rookie contract I agree. When Adams was out why didn't he elevate his game? I saw alot of drops this year. Even on a rookie contract I'm seriously wondering if he's worth it.
     
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    Elevate his game to be what our #1? The dude literally at that point was only halfway through his second NFL season, in a brand new system and is a 5th round draft pick from South Florida. Not a single person logically would have expected him to be a stud dependable guy at this point in his career given all that.
     

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