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<blockquote data-quote="sschind" data-source="post: 833668" data-attributes="member: 10247"><p>I've pretty much stayed out of the kicker debate until now and I really should be fixing the brakes on my truck but I have 2 whole days to do that and I suspect this post won't take me much more than half that to write so I have time.</p><p></p><p>First off is Crosby overpaid? Probably. Could we find someone cheaper? Certainly. Could we find someone better? Eventually. I'm sure we could but its that eventually part that scares me.</p><p></p><p>Second is FG% a truly accurate way to measure a Kickers worth? IMO not at all. As others have pointed out a small number of misses can drastically affect a kickers percentage. If Crosby had made 2 more FGs per year over his career he would be sitting at #2 on the all time FG% list. 1 more FG per year and he is at #16. There are more factors that go into evaluating a kickers worth and I think some people are ignoring them. Just like a dropped pass occasionally I think people grossly over react to a missed FG here and there. </p><p></p><p>As far as I am concerned Crosby and the Packers kicking game is a non issue. I do not think it sucks balls as some would have us believe but I do think it could be better. I don't think making it better is as easy as simply signing anyone who is cheaper as some would also have us believe. I'm am fine with moving on as Crosby as our kicker but I would also be fine if they brought in some competition and if he gets beat out great. In fact I would like them to bring in competition. I would just hope that camp and preseason results carry over in to the regular season.</p><p></p><p>In his defense I don't think Captain is saying cut Crosby and sign anyone because they couldn't be much worse (they could be) he is saying don't just hand him the job and I agree with that and I think most would also agree with that. I don't think anyone who is supporting Crosby is saying we couldn't be better just that being better is not as easy as it sounds.</p><p></p><p>I also don't think comparing a 3 year guy (Lutz) with a 12 year veteran is fair either. Lets see where Lutz is 10 years from now. He may be near the top or he may be selling used cars. I think one factor that makes replacing him appealing is that kickers are getting stronger and more accurate on average so finding a young guy to be better than a 12 year vet may be easier than it was 10 or 12 years ago. That doesn't mean every younger kicker will be stronger or more accurate.</p><p></p><p>Crosby has been kicking in the NFL for 12 years and you don't do that if you are a below average kicker overall and when I consider above or below average I take into consideration more than just regular season FG%.</p><p></p><p>There have certainly been better kickers than Crosby but there have certainly been worse ones. People clamoring for Crosby's replacement point to the good young kickers and say it isn't that hard to find one but they seem to ignore the plethora of young kickers who don't make it.</p><p></p><p>Bottom line for me is that while we would be able to find someone cheaper than Crosby I'm not so sure that the first, or second or third guy we try out would be better. I'm not opposed to trying but I am not going to be as confident the first time that kicker trots onto the field lining up a 51 yard game winner as I would be with Crosby. If the new guy goes 34/35 but his 1 miss keeps us out of the playoffs in week 17 I'd rather have Crosby's 29/35 if he makes that kick. </p><p></p><p>I think eventually we would find a guy cheaper and better than Mason Crosby and I think we should be looking but like I said from the start that "eventually" is what scares me. Especially when I don't think what we have is as bad as some people think.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm going to go fix my brakes now so if you never hear from me again you know I waited too long.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sschind, post: 833668, member: 10247"] I've pretty much stayed out of the kicker debate until now and I really should be fixing the brakes on my truck but I have 2 whole days to do that and I suspect this post won't take me much more than half that to write so I have time. First off is Crosby overpaid? Probably. Could we find someone cheaper? Certainly. Could we find someone better? Eventually. I'm sure we could but its that eventually part that scares me. Second is FG% a truly accurate way to measure a Kickers worth? IMO not at all. As others have pointed out a small number of misses can drastically affect a kickers percentage. If Crosby had made 2 more FGs per year over his career he would be sitting at #2 on the all time FG% list. 1 more FG per year and he is at #16. There are more factors that go into evaluating a kickers worth and I think some people are ignoring them. Just like a dropped pass occasionally I think people grossly over react to a missed FG here and there. As far as I am concerned Crosby and the Packers kicking game is a non issue. I do not think it sucks balls as some would have us believe but I do think it could be better. I don't think making it better is as easy as simply signing anyone who is cheaper as some would also have us believe. I'm am fine with moving on as Crosby as our kicker but I would also be fine if they brought in some competition and if he gets beat out great. In fact I would like them to bring in competition. I would just hope that camp and preseason results carry over in to the regular season. In his defense I don't think Captain is saying cut Crosby and sign anyone because they couldn't be much worse (they could be) he is saying don't just hand him the job and I agree with that and I think most would also agree with that. I don't think anyone who is supporting Crosby is saying we couldn't be better just that being better is not as easy as it sounds. I also don't think comparing a 3 year guy (Lutz) with a 12 year veteran is fair either. Lets see where Lutz is 10 years from now. He may be near the top or he may be selling used cars. I think one factor that makes replacing him appealing is that kickers are getting stronger and more accurate on average so finding a young guy to be better than a 12 year vet may be easier than it was 10 or 12 years ago. That doesn't mean every younger kicker will be stronger or more accurate. Crosby has been kicking in the NFL for 12 years and you don't do that if you are a below average kicker overall and when I consider above or below average I take into consideration more than just regular season FG%. There have certainly been better kickers than Crosby but there have certainly been worse ones. People clamoring for Crosby's replacement point to the good young kickers and say it isn't that hard to find one but they seem to ignore the plethora of young kickers who don't make it. Bottom line for me is that while we would be able to find someone cheaper than Crosby I'm not so sure that the first, or second or third guy we try out would be better. I'm not opposed to trying but I am not going to be as confident the first time that kicker trots onto the field lining up a 51 yard game winner as I would be with Crosby. If the new guy goes 34/35 but his 1 miss keeps us out of the playoffs in week 17 I'd rather have Crosby's 29/35 if he makes that kick. I think eventually we would find a guy cheaper and better than Mason Crosby and I think we should be looking but like I said from the start that "eventually" is what scares me. Especially when I don't think what we have is as bad as some people think. I'm going to go fix my brakes now so if you never hear from me again you know I waited too long. [/QUOTE]
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