2016 Jordy is Back, will the rest step up?

[C-Lee]

Too small. We need someone who can go get the ball. Marvin Jones and Jermaine Kearse both can.

I could see both of them playing well in GB. I'd also love to have Josh Gordon too haha. That knucklehead.

 

[tynimiller]

I could see both of them playing well in GB. I'd also love to have Josh Gordon too haha. That knucklehead.

No way we keep Guion and sign Gordon haha....they be begging to room together for camp.

 

[Wynnebeck]

The more I look at it, the more I believe we'll go either TE or OLB in the first round.

 

[jrock645]

I think they need to add a receiver. Montgomery is nothing but a gadget guy. I'll never understand that pick. Cobb showed what he really is this year, and it's not good. I doubt he sees the end of that contract. I knew it was a mistake in the first place. The only reason he was ever successful was because he lined up against #3's. Cobb is a joke, but now a rich one.

Too early to tell on Adams. He's shown flashes, but can he be consistent enough to reach the next level? My gut tells me Janis and Abby were flashes in a proverbial pan, but I could be wrong.

I hated seeing Jennings leave. We need the NEXT Greg Jennings, a guy perfectly capable of excelling inside or out. Dude had quickness and flexibility in his hips that was beyond rare. Watch his final game against the Vikings. I was in awe- very few receivers could do what he did in that game.

 

[Wynnebeck]

I think they need to add a receiver. Montgomery is nothing but a gadget guy. I'll never understand that pick. Cobb showed what he really is this year, and it's not good. I doubt he sees the end of that contract. I knew it was a mistake in the first place. The only reason he was ever successful was because he lined up against #3's. Cobb is a joke, but now a rich one.

Too early to tell on Adams. He's shown flashes, but can he be consistent enough to reach the next level? My gut tells me Janis and Abby were flashes in a proverbial pan, but I could be wrong.

I hated seeing Jennings leave. We need the NEXT Greg Jennings, a guy perfectly capable of excelling inside or out. Dude had quickness and flexibility in his hips that was beyond rare. Watch his final game against the Vikings. I was in awe- very few receivers could do what he did in that game.

Monty is a gadget guy? Cobb is bad yet one of the top slot receivers in the NFL? Go home, you're drunk.

 

[Mondio]

Monty is a gadget guy? Cobb is bad yet one of the top slot receivers in the NFL? Go home, you're drunk.

you mean jrunk, it's different

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I do think a really good TE would help a lot in our passing attack and open up other things. But is there a TE out there that can come in and make that kind of difference? (In FA or draft)

Ladarius Green would be a great pickup.

The more I look at it, the more I believe we'll go either TE or OLB in the first round.

With the coaching staff wanting to move Matthews outside again and Peppers hopefully returning for another season I don't see the need to spend a first-rounder on the position.

I think they need to add a receiver. Montgomery is nothing but a gadget guy. I'll never understand that pick. Cobb showed what he really is this year, and it's not good. I doubt he sees the end of that contract. I knew it was a mistake in the first place. The only reason he was ever successful was because he lined up against #3's. Cobb is a joke, but now a rich one.

Too early to tell on Adams. He's shown flashes, but can he be consistent enough to reach the next level? My gut tells me Janis and Abby were flashes in a proverbial pan, but I could be wrong.

I hated seeing Jennings leave. We need the NEXT Greg Jennings, a guy perfectly capable of excelling inside or out. Dude had quickness and flexibility in his hips that was beyond rare. Watch his final game against the Vikings. I was in awe- very few receivers could do what he did in that game.

Another nominee for worst post of the offseason.

 

[tynimiller]

Any idea what the cost of Ladarius Green would be? I'm not opposed this option at all.

 

[easyk83]

I think they need to add a receiver. Montgomery is nothing but a gadget guy. I'll never understand that pick. Cobb showed what he really is this year, and it's not good. I doubt he sees the end of that contract. I knew it was a mistake in the first place. The only reason he was ever successful was because he lined up against #3's. Cobb is a joke, but now a rich one.

Too early to tell on Adams. He's shown flashes, but can he be consistent enough to reach the next level? My gut tells me Janis and Abby were flashes in a proverbial pan, but I could be wrong.

I hated seeing Jennings leave. We need the NEXT Greg Jennings, a guy perfectly capable of excelling inside or out. Dude had quickness and flexibility in his hips that was beyond rare. Watch his final game against the Vikings. I was in awe- very few receivers could do what he did in that game.

Cobb isn't a joke, but he's a slot specialist who's he's paid like a true number one. I'd say his slot work makes him a 5-6 million per year player with his ability to shift into the backfield adding another 500K-1mill to his value. Yes we did pay too much for him. Whats the difference between a slot specialist and a number 1? A number 1 frequently forces opposing defenses to shade safety help over the top, this makes it harder for defenses to bring extra defenders into the box and opens up the area of the field between the hash marks. The true number 1 is someone who makes the offense as a whole better including it's other constituent parts the 2 and 3 receivers are better, and the running game is better because of him. Cobb as a slot specialist doesn't really do that, you play him by bringing a safety up in the box which also allows defenses to play the run more effectively. This is why slot specialists are worth less, they're easier to contain and they do less for the rest of the offense.

Fair point on Adams, Janis and Abby might fail to develop. Abby has the skill set but he might be to frail as a player and Janis might never develop the hips to get open consistently. Monty is a unique talent, who catches like a receiver and plays like a big physical running back(way off on this one). Look at his work versus Seattle, hitting him with a little bit of space is akin to getting a big back into the second level.

Greg Jennings wanted too much money, he was causing personnel problems on the team and he was increasingly limited by injuries... But he was a real number 1 wide receiver in his prime and I'll give him that. I wish we had someone of his skillset to pair with Nelson, the offense would hum on even if Jordy did get hurt.

 

[easyk83]

Any idea what the cost of Ladarius Green would be? I'm not opposed this option at all.

He's worth a look but Im not sure if he's worth a bidding war.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Any idea what the cost of Ladarius Green would be? I'm not opposed this option at all.

With Gates turning 36 before the start of the season I expect the Chargers to re-sign Green. If he hits the open market I think he'll get somewhere in the $5-6 million a season range.

 

[tynimiller]

With Gates turning 36 before the start of the season I expect the Chargers to re-sign Green. If he hits the open market I think he'll get somewhere in the $5-6 million a season range.

Was figuring somewhere over the 5M mark...was hoping for 3M-5M

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I like Green a lot, but I think a lot of other teams will like him more then TT is willing to pay. Gates or Watson (New Orleans) would be a one year fix at TE, but I don't see that and signing one of them would probably be like Denver's Vernon Davis signing. If the price of Green takes the Packers out of contention, which I fully expect, I still like using our #1 on Henry (if available) and going the FA market to fill the ILB position with a quality guy. Aaron had been doing pretty good (with Jordy in lineup) making do with the TE's he has had, so if Henry (or even Hooper in 2nd round) need a year of seasoning, so be it.

 

[TJV]

I think they need to add a receiver. Montgomery is nothing but a gadget guy. I'll never understand that pick. Cobb showed what he really is this year, and it's not good. I doubt he sees the end of that contract. I knew it was a mistake in the first place. The only reason he was ever successful was because he lined up against #3's. Cobb is a joke, but now a rich one.

What a thoughtful post. Last time the Packers had a full complement of receivers Cobb caught 91 passes for 1,287 yards and 12 TDs in 16 regular games. And making a determination on Montgomery before he took the field in the NFL? There’s a joke here somewhere but it isn’t Cobb or Montgomery.

 

[tynimiller]

I like Green a lot, but I think a lot of other teams will like him more then TT is willing to pay. Gates or Watson (New Orleans) would be a one year fix at TE, but I don't see that and signing one of them would probably be like Denver's Vernon Davis signing. If the price of Green takes the Packers out of contention, which I fully expect, I still like using our #1 on Henry (if available) and going the FA market to fill the ILB position with a quality guy. Aaron had been doing pretty good (with Jordy in lineup) making do with the TE's he has had, so if Henry (or even Hooper in 2nd round) need a year of seasoning, so be it.

I am a fan of Henry, but more and more signs point to him flirting with Top 20 pick...if he is there and we don't take him it better be a stud we take. We just need a bonafide TE, RR is okay and an above average guy with his limited skills...he does locate holes (due to not be guarded sometimes) and trudge to them and AR likes to dump to him.

 

[Half Empty]

Just for fun, started looking at the draft sites. Is rated from upper round one to 'day two'. Is described as a talented receiver who can't block and also as a blocker with minimal receiving impact. Hands are described a deficiency but also as an asset (didn't drop a pass all year). Et. al. As we all know, it's going to change a great deal right up until the draft, and perhaps even then (the Rodgers experience). But, heck, we've got nothing else to discuss, so...

 

[jrock645]

What a thoughtful post. Last time the Packers had a full complement of receivers Cobb caught 91 passes for 1,287 yards and 12 TDs in 16 regular games. And making a determination on Montgomery before he took the field in the NFL? There’s a joke here somewhere but it isn’t Cobb or Montgomery.

Cobb only started rolling because the whole offense was. He's a system product. Where was cobb this year? Exactly... At $10m he's a joke.

 

[tynimiller]

Cobb only started rolling because the whole offense was. He's a system product. Where was cobb this year? Exactly... At $10m he's a joke.

Aaron Rodgers played terrible this year in comparison too....what a joke at his salary. I say both are worthless, cut or trade.

 

[Half Empty]

Cobb needs a serious #1 receiver on the field, or his production drops significantly - he's not supposed to be the deep threat. Give him (the same) Jordy back, and we can discuss. Not sure his cap hits, especially in '17 and '18 are worth it for a slot receivers, but, heck, I'm not sure about Peppers, either.

 

[TJV]

Cobb only started rolling because the whole offense was. He's a system product. Where was cobb this year? Exactly... At $10m he's a joke.

Or, we saw the real Cobb in 2014 and he only struggled this season because the entire offense struggled for most of the season. In the 2014 regular season Cobb had 91 catches, Nelson had 98 and the WR with the third most catches was Adams with 38 (and had 2 or fewer catches in 11 games), but sure defenses weren’t paying any attention to Cobb.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Cobb needs a serious #1 receiver on the field, or his production drops significantly - he's not supposed to be the deep threat. Give him (the same) Jordy back, and we can discuss. Not sure his cap hits, especially in '17 and '18 are worth it for a slot receivers, but, heck, I'm not sure about Peppers, either.

I´m fine with questioning if Cobb is worth $10 million a year but there were other teams lining up to pay him even more money than that, so the Packers had to offer him a deal like that to keep him. After watching him play last season there´s no doubt he´s not a #1 receiver but he proved in 2014 that he´s one of the best slot receivers in the game and an important part of the team´s offense as long as there´s a true elite receiver playing.

 

[jrock645]

I just see cobb in 14 as a serious benificiary of jordy playing like a demon, adams showing promise on the outside, a safety in the box to defend a running game that was rolling, etc. That left cobb with some very favorable matchups. Hes a decent player but not as many would let his numbers lead them to believe. If they wouldve paid him $6m, i wouldve been ok with it. Hes gonna have to do a lot the next 3 years for me to value him as a $10m a year guy.

 

[easyk83]

I´m fine with questioning if Cobb is worth $10 million a year but there were other teams lining up to pay him even more money than that, so the Packers had to offer him a deal like that to keep him. After watching him play last season there´s no doubt he´s not a #1 receiver but he proved in 2014 that he´s one of the best slot receivers in the game and an important part of the team´s offense as long as there´s a true elite receiver playing.

Other teams were high on Tony Mandrich too. That teams want to overpay someone is not necessarily the best judgment of value. His peer slot receiver specialists are earning in the 5-6 million range. He's worth more IMO because of his ability to play out of the backfield, but he's not a 10 million per year talent. To me anyone making that needs to be a foundation piece, your quarterback you top receiver your LT, your best pass rusher, number 1 corner etc. I just don't see it with a player who needs the kind of surrounding talent that Randall Cobb seems to need to succeed.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I just see cobb in 14 as a serious benificiary of jordy playing like a demon, adams showing promise on the outside, a safety in the box to defend a running game that was rolling, etc. That left cobb with some very favorable matchups. Hes a decent player but not as many would let his numbers lead them to believe. If they wouldve paid him $6m, i wouldve been ok with it. Hes gonna have to do a lot the next 3 years for me to value him as a $10m a year guy.

How did you see him in previous years? Had the Packers offered him $6M, he would be somewhere else. I get it that last year wasn't his best, but nor was it for other Packers. I prefer to see what he does in 2016 before jumping to too many conclusions.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Other teams were high on Tony Mandrich too. That teams want to overpay someone is not necessarily the best judgment of value.

It´s not the best judgement of value but it´s close to guaranteed that he would have signed somewhere else if the Packers didn´t offer him $10 million a season.