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2016 Jordy is Back, will the rest step up?

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Pokerbrat2000, Jan 31, 2016.

  1. Pokerbrat2000

    Pokerbrat2000 Opinions are like A-holes, we all have one.

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    Maybe someone else has posted this already, but there seems to be this on going feeling of "When Jordy gets back in the line-up in 2016, all will be "back to normal" for the offense." I still have a lot of questions.

    Will Jordy comes back the same as he was before the injury and a year and 1/2 older?

    Will he stay healthy, what if he doesn't?

    Will Rodgers return to his pre-2015 confident self with his favorite receiver back?

    Will just getting Jordy back distract the opposing defenses enough that the other Packer WR's play better?

    Do the Packers need to add another WR to compliment Jordy and Cobb?

    Is Van Pelt the right guy to be coaching the WR's?

    I know a lot of this has been covered in bits and pieces throughout threads, but the underlying principle of "the loss of Jordy was one of the big factors in the 2015 offense struggles" has been prevalent all year. I'm just wondering if people think his return will be enough to vault this offense back to what it used to be?
     
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  2. King of Jeans

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    Jordy stretches the f*ck out of the field. Our offense will play WAY better with him back in the lineup. I am not worried about the offense really, this year was just a hiccup. We'll have a better understanding of what this team is next year.
     
  3. King of Jeans

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    And no, I don't think any upgrades to the WR position are necessary. Maybe draft one later for depth. What we really need is a tight end.
     
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  4. Wynnebeck

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    Yes because Nelson is that great of a deep threat that teams CAN NOT leave him open. That in turn will make life easier for both other WRs and open up the running game for Lacy/Starks due to the deep threat. A field stretching TE would only make it more apparent.
     
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    MM said he expects Jordy to be better than ever when he returns. Not that this optimism is surprising, but Jordy himself recently mentioned that his recovery has gone so well that he might have been physically ready to play in the Super Bowl.
    I really don't expect our WRs to be a concern next season. No one would have imagined a year ago that anyone would even ask this. I fully expect 2015 to be the aberration.
    No. A TE would be good, though. I would prefer Van Pelt revert to QB coach and not handle duel roles. I'm surprised MM hasn't addressed this yet.
     
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  6. Pokerbrat2000

    Pokerbrat2000 Opinions are like A-holes, we all have one.

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    I fully agree on a change at WR coach is needed. Even taking into consideration no Jordy this past year, the group took a step back with Van Pelt.

    I'm cautiously optimistic that we are only in need of a TE and a healthy (key word) Jordy. A healthy Montgomery will help as well. I would like to see Jones back. Then if any of Adams, Abby or Janis can step up to the next level, we have some depth.
     
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  7. Sky King

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    For some time now I've been convinced that MM's restructuring of the coaching staff has been the most significant cause for last season's struggles. As vital as Jordy is to this offense, unless MM gets his staff and their functions fixed in a meaningful way his (Jordy's) presence alone may not be enough to turn things around.
     
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  8. pacmaniac

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    This won't happen, but Jordy should become the first player to win the MVP award without playing at all during the season.
     
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  9. Sky King

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    Ouch! :D
     
  10. captainWIMM

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    I agree with the majority of posters here that the Packers don't need to add another receiver but absolutely have to bring in a tight end capable of stretching the field.

    I'm fine with Van Pelt coaching the QBs but McCarthy has to appoint a position coach responsible for just the WRs.
     
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  11. easyk83

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    Jordy's return should give a big boost to multiple parts of the Offense. But we do need to identify or acquire a future number 1 receiver, someone who can take Jordy's place when he does start to slide. Do we have that player already? Hard to say. But when Donald Driver was starting to slide Greg Jennings was already emerging as a number 1. When Greg Jennings was starting to succumb to nagging injuries Jordy Nelson had already emerged as a big play threat and future number 1. We really don't have anyone who has shown consistent playmaking ability downfield or outside of the hash marks. Cobb is purely a slot specialist as a receiver, Adams has been wildly inconsistent, Janis has made a few big plays but hasn't shown he can get open consistently, Abby can't stay healthy.
     
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    While I agree that's true at some point down the road it's not a pressing need this offseason.
     
  13. tynimiller

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    Will Jordy comes back the same as he was before the injury and a year and 1/2 older?

    The same? No. He'll be highly motivated to get back out and rock it...expect him to do what he always does, surprise DBs with his awesome route running and somehow get behind guys that are "faster" in the books than he is.

    Will he stay healthy, what if he doesn't?

    Why speculate on this...it is the NFL, injuries happen, not gonna jinx a thing.

    Will Rodgers return to his pre-2015 confident self with his favorite receiver back?

    It wasn't just Nelson which caused the "confidence lack"...but it always helps when the QB has a trusted anchor back...not to mention another year developing report with Janis, Abb, Monty, Adams (albeit bad this year in results) and RR (despite his slowness)....all of that will play a factor.


    Will just getting Jordy back distract the opposing defenses enough that the other Packer WR's play better?

    It will definitely help make Cobb not as non-existent...which will help him get open and if they attempt to shut down both you have Monty/Adams/Janis/Abb or shoot even JJ maybe 1-on-1 with a mismatch most likely.


    Do the Packers need to add another WR to compliment Jordy and Cobb?

    Absolutely not. If one falls that surprises us he's there sure I'm a fan of always having a weapon...but the WR spot is not a need....our leading WR this year (JJ) most likely won't be back....that says something. Abb and Monty will fight over primary back up in the slot to Cobb with Monty to me having an edge as he is more shifty and Special Teams contributor. Janis finally got gelled with AR, albeit forced and I hope that carries over to 2016...not too mention he is a ST STUD! Adams, will want to rebound more than anyone and it shouldn't shock anyone if we see more of the Adams we saw his rookie year than this last year. Where does that leave James Jones...most likely out like either Monty or Abb as well. Just not enough room for all the potential and skill here...can't keep all 7...may not keep even 6 of them.

    Is Van Pelt the right guy to be coaching the WR's?

    If JJ doesn't come back I'd love to have him be an assistant at least...
     
  14. tynimiller

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    I hope Adams is a replay of JJ....JJ was the exact same way for a few years early on....he turned out "okay" for us :D
     
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    Jordy coming back should help Randall Cobb, and hopefully both will be healthy. Davante Adams needs to recover from his "sophomore slump", and he did flash signs of that late in the season before getting hurt again. Any contributions from Ty Montgomery, Jeff Janis and Jared Abbredaris would be welcome. I think Jones, unfortunately, is likely done here, barring injury to someone else.

    I'm anxious to see what our new tight ends coach can do with Richard Rodgers, if anything. This guy has a track record of success, so if anyone can generate production at the TE spot, maybe it's him. In any event, having Jordy back on the field should open things up for everyone else, and now they all have at least a little more experience than they might have had if he had been healthy all year. This could work out well.
     
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    The Packers will have to finalize the coaching staff within the next few weeks and with Jones wanting to continue his career I don't see any scenario to make that work.
     
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    Angelichio has a nice track record coaching tight ends but I think Rodgers is an average #2 tight end at best. The Packers need to add a better player at the position.
     
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  18. tynimiller

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    Yeah I know...sadly.
     
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    Was having a number 1 in waiting a need last season? It's not just about replacing future talent loss, it's about having quality depth. We need someone who can step into that number 1 receiver should Jordy be unavailable.
     
  20. tynimiller

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    You pick a WR in the draft early you have further set us back. Our WR corp is stout and overflowing with young guys that the game is slowing down for....Janis and Adams very well could be the future or they may not be....however we have glaring needs elsewhere that unless it is a bonafide STUD, starting from day #1 it wouldn't be worth it in my opinion. Just my opinion though I know.
     
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  21. Pokerbrat2000

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    The current situation at WR feels a bit like the situation at O-Line and where we were last August, "if everyone stays healthy, all should be good". Based on history, I just don't see going through a whole season keeping everyone healthy at those positions, so you have to rely on depth. I'm not proposing spending a 1-3 round pick on a WR, since there are other positions of greater need, but I sure would feel better knowing 2016 won't look like 2015 on offense. We can only hope that Jordy's return, along with further development of Adams, Abby, Janis and a mid round pick will be the missing pieces we lacked in 2015 at WR. I also really hope JJ is back in camp to give us that Veteran leadership and depth. If the young guys beat him out, so be it.
     
  22. captainWIMM

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    The Packers currently have pressing needs at ILB and TE and desperately need depth on the OL. Depending on what happens between now and the draft the DL and OLB could become primary needs as well. While another #1 WR would be awesome there are other positions that have to be addressed first.
     
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  23. tynimiller

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    More I consider the future...I foresee this as a really good possibility. If it happens guys like Janis and Adams are gonna be very nervous and know they gotta perform to hold onto a spot. Monty and Abb are gonna be fighting it out for the 2nd true slot man on the roster.
     
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    I still think we need to bring in another WR. Whether via draft or FA.
     
  25. TJV

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    Good - even great - players don’t always make even good coaches: What makes anyone think Jones would (1) want to be a position coach and (2) be any good at it? The Packers have their WR coach in house – McCarthy just needs to wake up and realize it. It’s as easy as this: Edgar Bennett - Offensive Coordinator/Wide Receivers. Just like: Winston Moss - Associate Head Coach/Linebackers.
    Of course it'd be great if the Packers acquired a #1 WR in waiting. And there may be a WR in the first or second round too good to pass up (in Thompson and staff's opinion). But as others have posted, that's a luxury at this point. One way (frequently the only way) Thompson shows urgency is to draft for need (2015's first two picks replacing Tramon and House the most recent, but hardly the only examples). If Thompson filled two needs via UFA - for example signing a TE and a vet OT - I'd be fine with him drafting a WR (and ILB) early. Or signed an UFA ILB and vet OT, etc. But if he's going to count exclusively on the draft, an early WR will likely mean counting upon improvements of players on the rosters and IMO that's unlikely to work regarding TE, ILB, and OT.
     
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