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<blockquote data-quote="Favre3132" data-source="post: 256104" data-attributes="member: 1473"><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I have rarely post because I enjoy reading all of the posts and comments. But I have had enough with this mediocre crap when it comes to the Packers.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I have heard and read that some believe the ’09 Packers are better than the ’08 Packers. I disagree. The 2009 Packers are no better and may be worse than the 2008 Packers through the first 7 games of the season. Here is a comparison of the 2009 and 2008 teams (comparisons based on first 7 games of '09 and '08):</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><u><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">RECORD</span></u></strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">: </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">2009 (<strong>4-3</strong>) 2008 (<strong>4-3</strong>) no improvement, same record as ‘08</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><u><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">POINTS SCORED</span></u></strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">: </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">2009 (<strong>187</strong>) 2008 (<strong>194</strong>) ’09 offense has scored 7 pts less</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><u><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">POINTS ALLOWED</span></u></strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">: </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">2009 (<strong>134</strong>) 2008 (<strong>159</strong>) improvement, 25 less pts than '08 </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><u><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">RECORD OF FIRST 7 OPPONENTS</span></u></strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">: </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">2009 (<strong>19-23, .452 %</strong>) 2008 (<strong>20-25, .444%</strong>)</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><u><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">RECORD OF OPPONENETS GB WON AGAINST</span></u></strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">: </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">2009 (<strong>7-23, .233%</strong>) 2008 (<strong>6-18, .250%</strong>)</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><u><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">RECORD OF OPPONENTS GB LOST TO</span></u></strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">: </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">2009 (<strong>12-3, .800 %</strong>) 2008 (<strong>13-7, .650 %</strong>)</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><u><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">MARGIN OF VICTORY</span></u></strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">: </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">2009 (<strong>20 pts</strong>) 2008 (<strong>14 pts</strong>) improvement</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><u><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">MARGIN OF DEFEAT</span></u></strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">: </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">2009 (<strong>9 pts</strong>) 2008 (<strong>8 pts</strong>) no improvement</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><u><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">TAKEAWAYS / GIVEAWAYS / DIFF</span></u></strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">: </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">2009 (<strong>17 / 5 / +12</strong>) 2008 (<strong>14 / 8 / +6</strong>) improvement </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><u><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">SACKS GIVEN UP</span></u></strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">: </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">2009 (<strong>31</strong>) 2008 (<strong>13</strong>) this is plain awful - 34 total sacks entire ‘08 season</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><u><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">DEFENSIVE SACKS</span></u></strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">: </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">2009 (<strong>12</strong>) 2008 (<strong>12</strong>) no improvement </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><u><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">PASSING TD’S</span></u></strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">: </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">2009 (<strong>14</strong>) 2008 (<strong>12</strong>) thrown 2 more TD’s in '09</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><u><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">RUSHING TD’S</span></u></strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">: </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">2009 (<strong>5</strong>) 2008 (<strong>5</strong>) no improvement </span></span></p><p> </p><p><strong><u><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">2009 first 7 games</span></span></u></strong></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Chicago W 21-15</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Cincinnati L 24-31 – PLAYOFF TEAM ?</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">@ St. Louis W 36-17</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">@ Minnesota L 23-30 – PLAYOFF TEAM</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Detroit W 26-0</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">@ Cleveland W 31-3</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Minnesota L 26-38 – PLAYOFF TEAM</span></span></p><p> </p><p><strong><u><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">2008 first 7 games</span></span></u></strong></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Minnesota W 24-19 - Playoff Team, NFC North Champs</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">@ Detroit W 48-25</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Dallas L 17-27</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">@ Tampa Bay L 21-30</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Atlanta L 24-27 – Playoff Team, NFC Wild Card</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">@ Seattle W 27-17</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Indianapolis W 34-14 – Playoff Team, AFC Wild Card</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Through the first 7 games of 2008, the Packers played 3 teams who would eventually make the playoffs and were 2-1 in those games. In 2009, the Packers have played the Bengals who appear to be headed to the playoffs and the Vikings twice who will win the NFC North and possibly be the number one seed in the NFC. In those 3 games, the Packers are 0-3.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">We all know what happened in 2008 after the first 7 games - the Packers tanked and went 2-7 over the next 9 games and finished at 6-10. Isn’t it funny (well, it really isn’t funny as a Packers fan) how history and past performance can repeat itself. Now, here we are in 2009 and the Packers own a 4-3 record after the first 7 games just like in 2008. If history and past performance does repeat itself, I see the Packers winning only 3 of their next 9 games with victories over Tampa Bay (no gimme game), over Detroit on Thanksgiving (again, no gimme game), and over Seattle at Lambeau. I do not see the Packers beating Dallas, San Francisco, Baltimore, @ Chicago, @ Pittsburgh and @ Arizona.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I pick the Packers to be 7-9 at the end of 2009. A one game improvement from last year is no improvement in my book. At least McCarthy will be gone at the end of year and I do not believe that A-Rod will last all season with our current O-Line.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I, just like all of you who post here, want the Packers to succeed and do well each and every year, to be competitive, and be in the playoff hunt every season. Some may say that is just too much to ask. But after enduring the 70’s and 80’s when the Packers only made the playoffs twice (1972 and the 1982 strike shortened season), and then to go from that to the 1990’s and 2000’s when the Packers made the playoffs 11 of those years (1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2007), I do not think it is too much to ask.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The ’09 Packers have not improved from the ’08 Packers, and that to me is very troubling! The train has left the station and we are left with a trip to nowhere.</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Favre3132, post: 256104, member: 1473"] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]I have rarely post because I enjoy reading all of the posts and comments. But I have had enough with this mediocre crap when it comes to the Packers.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]I have heard and read that some believe the ’09 Packers are better than the ’08 Packers. I disagree. The 2009 Packers are no better and may be worse than the 2008 Packers through the first 7 games of the season. Here is a comparison of the 2009 and 2008 teams (comparisons based on first 7 games of '09 and '08):[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][B][U][FONT=Arial]RECORD[/FONT][/U][/B][FONT=Arial]: [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]2009 ([B]4-3[/B]) 2008 ([B]4-3[/B]) no improvement, same record as ‘08[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][B][U][FONT=Arial]POINTS SCORED[/FONT][/U][/B][FONT=Arial]: [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]2009 ([B]187[/B]) 2008 ([B]194[/B]) ’09 offense has scored 7 pts less[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][B][U][FONT=Arial]POINTS ALLOWED[/FONT][/U][/B][FONT=Arial]: [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]2009 ([B]134[/B]) 2008 ([B]159[/B]) improvement, 25 less pts than '08 [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][B][U][FONT=Arial]RECORD OF FIRST 7 OPPONENTS[/FONT][/U][/B][FONT=Arial]: [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]2009 ([B]19-23, .452 %[/B]) 2008 ([B]20-25, .444%[/B])[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][B][U][FONT=Arial]RECORD OF OPPONENETS GB WON AGAINST[/FONT][/U][/B][FONT=Arial]: [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]2009 ([B]7-23, .233%[/B]) 2008 ([B]6-18, .250%[/B])[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][B][U][FONT=Arial]RECORD OF OPPONENTS GB LOST TO[/FONT][/U][/B][FONT=Arial]: [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]2009 ([B]12-3, .800 %[/B]) 2008 ([B]13-7, .650 %[/B])[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][B][U][FONT=Arial]MARGIN OF VICTORY[/FONT][/U][/B][FONT=Arial]: [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]2009 ([B]20 pts[/B]) 2008 ([B]14 pts[/B]) improvement[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][B][U][FONT=Arial]MARGIN OF DEFEAT[/FONT][/U][/B][FONT=Arial]: [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]2009 ([B]9 pts[/B]) 2008 ([B]8 pts[/B]) no improvement[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][B][U][FONT=Arial]TAKEAWAYS / GIVEAWAYS / DIFF[/FONT][/U][/B][FONT=Arial]: [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]2009 ([B]17 / 5 / +12[/B]) 2008 ([B]14 / 8 / +6[/B]) improvement [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][B][U][FONT=Arial]SACKS GIVEN UP[/FONT][/U][/B][FONT=Arial]: [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]2009 ([B]31[/B]) 2008 ([B]13[/B]) this is plain awful - 34 total sacks entire ‘08 season[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][B][U][FONT=Arial]DEFENSIVE SACKS[/FONT][/U][/B][FONT=Arial]: [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]2009 ([B]12[/B]) 2008 ([B]12[/B]) no improvement [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][B][U][FONT=Arial]PASSING TD’S[/FONT][/U][/B][FONT=Arial]: [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]2009 ([B]14[/B]) 2008 ([B]12[/B]) thrown 2 more TD’s in '09[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][B][U][FONT=Arial]RUSHING TD’S[/FONT][/U][/B][FONT=Arial]: [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]2009 ([B]5[/B]) 2008 ([B]5[/B]) no improvement [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [B][U][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]2009 first 7 games[/SIZE][/FONT][/U][/B] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Chicago W 21-15[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Cincinnati L 24-31 – PLAYOFF TEAM ?[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]@ St. Louis W 36-17[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]@ Minnesota L 23-30 – PLAYOFF TEAM[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Detroit W 26-0[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]@ Cleveland W 31-3[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Minnesota L 26-38 – PLAYOFF TEAM[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [B][U][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]2008 first 7 games[/SIZE][/FONT][/U][/B] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Minnesota W 24-19 - Playoff Team, NFC North Champs[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]@ Detroit W 48-25[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Dallas L 17-27[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]@ Tampa Bay L 21-30[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Atlanta L 24-27 – Playoff Team, NFC Wild Card[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]@ Seattle W 27-17[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Indianapolis W 34-14 – Playoff Team, AFC Wild Card[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Through the first 7 games of 2008, the Packers played 3 teams who would eventually make the playoffs and were 2-1 in those games. In 2009, the Packers have played the Bengals who appear to be headed to the playoffs and the Vikings twice who will win the NFC North and possibly be the number one seed in the NFC. In those 3 games, the Packers are 0-3.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]We all know what happened in 2008 after the first 7 games - the Packers tanked and went 2-7 over the next 9 games and finished at 6-10. Isn’t it funny (well, it really isn’t funny as a Packers fan) how history and past performance can repeat itself. Now, here we are in 2009 and the Packers own a 4-3 record after the first 7 games just like in 2008. If history and past performance does repeat itself, I see the Packers winning only 3 of their next 9 games with victories over Tampa Bay (no gimme game), over Detroit on Thanksgiving (again, no gimme game), and over Seattle at Lambeau. I do not see the Packers beating Dallas, San Francisco, Baltimore, @ Chicago, @ Pittsburgh and @ Arizona.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]I pick the Packers to be 7-9 at the end of 2009. A one game improvement from last year is no improvement in my book. At least McCarthy will be gone at the end of year and I do not believe that A-Rod will last all season with our current O-Line.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]I, just like all of you who post here, want the Packers to succeed and do well each and every year, to be competitive, and be in the playoff hunt every season. Some may say that is just too much to ask. But after enduring the 70’s and 80’s when the Packers only made the playoffs twice (1972 and the 1982 strike shortened season), and then to go from that to the 1990’s and 2000’s when the Packers made the playoffs 11 of those years (1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2007), I do not think it is too much to ask.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]The ’09 Packers have not improved from the ’08 Packers, and that to me is very troubling! The train has left the station and we are left with a trip to nowhere.[/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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