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100 greatest players of all time

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  1. maxlives

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    Okay, so I guess I should read the string from the beginning next time or risk looking foolish again. But, having said that, I stand by my assertion. No other player can match 5 championships, including three in a row, number one has to be Bart Starr.
     
  2. ivo610

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    Peter King had don hutson as the best player of all time, and Cold hard football facts think hutson was better too. I understand people who argue for Rice though, as he lasted alot longer than any other wr and was a big game WR
     
  3. ivo610

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    any guess on who is #1?
     
  4. ivo610

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    A chat Steve Sabol had before the start of the top 10


    It is a shame that Frank Gifford did not make the list. He was one of the premier all purpose backs of his era not to mention the greatest Triple threats of all time. I would put him up with other Giants greats who made this list such as Mel Hein and Lawrence Taylor. Why did he not make the list?

    Steve Sabol, NFL Films
    Let's start off with this: A lot of people are already asking why we at NFL Films "left off" a certain player from the list, greats like Frank Gifford, Marvin Harrison and Warren Sapp to name a few.

    The simple answer was, it wasn't up to us. Here's why:

    We selected a blue ribbon-panel of 85 football experts and asked them to assign a grade from 1 to 10 to every player on our ballot, 10 being the highest possible grade. We collected the ballots, tallied the scores and ranked them to determine the countdown. So really, we're just the messengers of what the panelists decided.
    Corey, New York 8:04 PM ET
    How is Barry Sanders so low? I understand the whole "Not winning the Superbowl" argument, but I strongly believe Barry did the most with the least of any of the great RB's in history.

    Steve Sabol, NFL Films
    Running backs always stir up a great debate. And believe me Corey, I know how you feel. Two of my favorite runners of all-time didn't even make the list: Joe "The Jet" Perry and Hugh "The King" McElhenny.
    javi, dallas, texas 8:08 PM ET
    Why is Joe Montana in the conversation for number 1? In my opinion he isn't even in the top 5 QBs.

    Steve Sabol, NFL Films
    A lot of people might argue, especially with quarterbacks, about the impact of the system on the player's greatness. As in, Did Montana make Bill Walsh's offense a success or did Walsh's scheme allow Montana to be great? But one thing you can't argue with is Super Bowl rings, and Montana's got 4 of them.
    Dan, Long Island 8:15 PM ET
    What was the most important factor in deciding the greatest player of all-time?

    Paul Camarata, NFL Films producer
    Dan - the one thing we could tell as the ballots came in was that almost every panelist had his own formula. . .this was clear simply because no two ballots were the same. There was even one voter who didn't give out ANY 10s on his ballot. If you tune into NFLNetwork tonight at 10 pm/ET after tonight's series finale, you can hear how four of our panelists filled out their ballots, when Peter King, Ernie Accorsi, Mike Lombardi and Jarrett Bell join Steve in a roundtable discussion of the entire Top 100 list.
    Matt Reaser, Tumwater, WA 8:24 PM ET
    Hey Steve, the presentation of this show is amazing! Love the footage, etc...couldn't expect anything less with NFL Films involved. I do have to ask about Steve Largent though, surely a better WR than Michael Irvin, and definitely would have thought a top 100 player. Also, of course Kenny Easley wouldn't be put on a top 100 list, since he can't even get enough respect to be put in the HOF, but for anyone who watches the film and knows how to break it down, he's one of the greatest Safeties of all-time, just some thoughts you have on him would be appreciated. Finish with a statement of my own, Ed and Steve Sabol for the Pro Football Hall of Fame!!

    Steve Sabol, NFL Films
    Thanks for the kind words Matt. It's probably little consolation to Seahawk fans that their favorite team wasn't the only one that didn't have a player make the Top 100. The Jaguars, Panthers, Saints and Texans also didn't have a player on the list.

    Paul Camarata, NFL Films producer
    Rest assured that the series won't end without a Steve Largent appearance. Tune in at 9 to see how.
    Ben, FLA 8:35 PM ET
    Where do you see Jim Brown landing?

    Steve Sabol, NFL Films
    The interesting thing to me about Jim Brown is that about 10 years ago we produced an NFL Films Presents feature that called him the Player of the Milennium. That's high praise. Whether or not the panelists agree with it remains to be seen.
    John, London 8:38 PM ET
    I have to ask you what your opinion is on Ray lewis being ranked at 18, i know that LT will be named by many as the best D player of all time, but can anyone argue against Ray lewis being the best Linebacker and D player of all time, NOSTALGIA ASIDE. he is the only player to my knowledge that has as many ints and sacks as he does ( 29ints, 30+ sacks i believe). and there is not a person alive or before who makes player around him believe and play better.also at his age he is still responsible for several game changing players, or even game saving plays. And to top it all off, he plays the game how it should be played, hard and with respect. so thoughts?

    Steve Sabol, NFL Films
    John we weren't shocked when the votes came back and Ray was in the Top 20. But as you mention, he's still active and playing at a high level. If this list is done again ten years from now, I don't know if anyone will be surprised to see Ray's ranking be even higher than it is today.
    Greg Hammel, Santa Barbara, CA 8:42 PM ET
    Do you think it is appropriate to consider Super Bowl victories when evaluating great QB's like Marino, Bert Jones, & Archie Manning? You put Archie Manning on those great 70's steelers teams and they win half a dozen SB's. No one has ever doubted the greatness of a Sayers or Merlin Olsen because they did not win a Super Bowl.

    Paul Camarata, NFL Films producer
    Greg - the voters seemed to take championship success into account with quarterbacks but only as one of many factors. For instance, Fran Tarkenton made the list at #91 despite going 0-3 in Super Bowls. Dan Marino had no rings and one SB appearance and still was ranked #25.
    Tony, Go Bucs! 8:47 PM ET
    So... why is John Lynch not on this list????? C'mon! This guy was FEARED!!!! He should at least be in the 90's!!!!

    Steve Sabol, NFL Films
    We've heard the same question from lots of Bucs fans, though they were also excited to see both Derrick Brooks and the first draft choice in team history, Lee Roy Selmon, make the list.
     
  5. A-Rod_is_God

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    Best of All Time

    JERRY RICE? Discuss.
     
  6. A-Rod_is_God

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    or dont, i just realized there is already a thread about this
     
  7. Mr. StyleZ

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    Jim Brown > Jerry Rice
     
  8. ivo610

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    1. Jerry Rice
    2. Jim Brown
    3. Lawrence Taylor
    4. Joe Montana
    5. Walter Payton
    6. Johnny Unitas
    7. Reggie White
    8. Payton Manning
    9. Don Hutson
    10. Dick Butkus
     
  9. ivo610

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    whoa... Sabol, King, Lombardi and few others are discussing the list and Lombardi mentioned Jermichael Finley as a player he thinks might make this list in 20 years. I think thats more than any of us would say at this point.
     
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    Wow, they are projecting a future list?!!! Go Fins!
     
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    Now that I can live with. Jerry Rice and Jim Brown are almost interchangeable for the #1 seed. I would give Brown the slight edge but not by much. Reggie is #1 in "Kitten" world but I like that he's 7th here too.
     
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    Rice could be #1 as he is more current and maybe the ones that voted seen more of Rice
     
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    Don Hutson > Jerry rice
    Walter Payton > Jerry rice
     
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    Love your siggy pic GBpack 12-85!!! The best!!!
     
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    Bo jackson> Deon Sanders
     
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    Lol thanks man. I still laugh everytime I see it, I even have it as my wallpaper on my phone lol.
     
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    Sorry but Tom Brady, Brett Favre and Drew Brees are all better than Payton Manning :D
     
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    Just noticed how is Troy Aikman higher than Steve Young?

    LOL Thats a JOKE!
     
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    There are too many people that don't know anything of football being paid to talk about it. That's all I have to say.
     
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    A couple of things about the list.

    1) We don't know who the was on the original list of 250 players. So this is list of the top 100 of that 250, not the top 100 NFL players.
    2) The majority are players who are in the HOF. Only 7 players listed who are not active are not in the HOF.
    3) Not a single kicker. Yet kickers are year in and year out usually the highest scoring player on team. (The top scorer who was not a kicker in NFL history is Jerry Rice with 1,256 points. He's 26th on the list of scorers in the NFL.)
    4) 50% of the players started playing after 1970. So it's about even for old school/new school. Most of the new school are players who have been on Super Bowl winning teams.
     
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    Mason Crosby is #1 In my eyes :D
     
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    Don Hudson was a greater receiver than Jerry Rice. Aside from the fact that no one could touch Rice beyond 5 yards from the line of scrimmage, and Hudson could get raped as long as the ball wasn't in the air, consider this:

    TD per game: Hudson .85 Rice .65
    Yards per reception Hudson 16.4 Rice 14.7
    % TD per reception Hudson 20.3% Rice 12.8%


    The only area that Rice surpasses Hudson is in playing a 16 game season (with up to 3 playoff games) vs. Hudson playing 10 games per season.

    Hudson kicked 7 more field goals than Rice
    Hudson kicked 172 more XP than Rice
    Hudson intercepted 30 more passes than Rice
     
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    thanks for the stats, GG Angel. It's Hutson, btw.
     
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    Hutson’s 1942 campaign was probably the greatest season by a receiver in NFL history. In 11 games, Hutson caught 74 passes for 1,211 yards (16.4 YPC) and 17 TDs
     
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    Thank you for the correction, I study the history and then blow the name...:eek:hmy:
     

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