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    Jerry Kramer, Dave Robinson, Bart Starr, and the HOF

    And one last thing. The Pro Football Hall of Fame is/should be based on what a player did on the field. Not what he did off the field. Or else OJ Simpson should not still be in the hall.
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    Jerry Kramer, Dave Robinson, Bart Starr, and the HOF

    This is a letter from Art Daley. For those of you who don't know who Art is, here is some background: "Art began covering the Green Bay Packers in 1942 and for more than 35 years, he covered the Packers beat for the Green Bay Press-Gazette. He teamed with Lee Remmel during many of those years...
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    Jerry Kramer, Dave Robinson, Bart Starr, and the HOF

    Hi all. I too was interested in the Peter King article. I have personal reason to wonder about it. As many of you know, I was involved in campaigning for dad's entrance into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. I promised dad that I would let this go, but I am having a hard time turning it loose. But...
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    Jerry Kramer, Sterling=HoF?

    I see what you are saying about Tyrer. I agree, but I also believe two other things. One, Jerry played two positions which, in my mind, makes him more versitile, maybe better in some regards. Secondly, they are very close in honors, again, I wonder if Jerry hadnt been injured, if they would have...
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    Jerry Kramer, Sterling=HoF?

    And did u see my last question? If Jerry hadn't been injured, do you think he would have earned more all pro selections? Just curious what your thoughts might be?
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    Jerry Kramer, Sterling=HoF?

    Excuse me. You are right. I apologize about that. I meant All-Pro, not Pro Bowl. You were throwing Dilweg in there and I wanted see how they compared. Both were kickers as well. Jerry scored more points as a kicker, but he also had a longer career. I will check Jim Tyrer's record. Thank you
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    Jerry Kramer, Sterling=HoF?

    And I think what you said applies with Kramer and Dilweg too. As far as expecting different standards. Didn't Dilweg, play three different positions? Where Kramer, another era, played two, where as say a current player, specializes in one position? Teams have more players today? Also salaries...
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    Jerry Kramer, Sterling=HoF?

    I wanted to compare their pro bowl status. As I did. I noticed Jerry made Pro Bowl status, albeit 2nd team in 1961, the same year he fractures an ankle and suffered a detached retina. I also noticed that he was absent in '64 when doctors performed surgery and found pieces of a board lodged in...
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    Jerry Kramer, Sterling=HoF?

    Thank you for your input. I hear what you are saying but I politely disagree with the whole Ken Bowman thing. What you said is true. There was some bad feelings there between Jerry and Ken, but it was worked out. If you see video of the Ice Bowl and see what happened after the block, many people...
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    Jerry Kramer, Sterling=HoF?

    Hey me again. About that 'top ten players not in the hall of fame'. For what it is worth. Ed Sabol championed Jerry and his son Steve has carried that torch, because he believed, like his father, that Jerry was hall of fame worthy.
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    Jerry Kramer, Sterling=HoF?

    One last thing. What I have found to be most interesting is the cross section of football fans that champion Jerry for the hall. We aren't just talking Packer fans. We are talking about Bear fans, Ram, Chief, Cowboy, etc. Fans who again respect the game, understand the history, the players who...
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    Jerry Kramer, Sterling=HoF?

    I appreciate what you said here and agree and respect most of what you said. I have contacted Cliff Christl. He has championed Gale Gillingham in the past and still today, but he not against Jerry for the hall. They, writers and players, are allowed to champion more than one player. Bart Starr...
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    Jerry Kramer, Sterling=HoF?

    That relationship may have appeared that way, but Jerry and Taylor had a good relationship. They had several business ventures after football. Later on they did have falling out, but they still support one another. What I hear most is that Kramer broke the 'what happened behind locker room...
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    Jerry Kramer, Sterling=HoF?

    Lol, I never said Bart Starr and Paul Hornung didn't know? If you would have READ the portfolio you would have known this. Besides, you are right. What the hell do Bart Starr and Paul H. know? Them and all those silly other Pro Football Hall of Famers? Who the hell do they think they are coming...
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    Jerry Kramer, Sterling=HoF?

    Tics me off too! If a player is deserving. A team is deserving, then they should be in.
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