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Williams to the Browns!!!

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by walz1, Feb 29, 2008.

  1. pack_in_black
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    I'll say it again, y'all:

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    A don't agree with you at all about rookie DE's not contributing.

    Rookie speed rusher can come in and help a team RIGHT AWAY. Examples: Mark Anderson, Shawne Merrimen, Elvis Dumerville, Daryll Tapp. KGB had 13.5 sacks his second season.

    The knack on most these guy was that they were tweeners. Too big for a LB, to small for a DE.

    I would be amped to see the Pack get another speed rusher, and a good one could easily fall to the Pack in the fourth round.
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    Bengals nab Rogers

    Our getting a 2nd for Corey just keeps looking better and better.... :thumbsup:
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    Pack93z You retired too? .... Not me. I'm in my prime

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    I think the tweener speed guy mught be Corey Smith from the Lions whom is suppose to visit Monday...
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    Local news just said 3rd round. What the heck?
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    "Cleveland, OH (Sports Network) - The Cleveland Browns have acquired defensive lineman Corey Williams from the Green Bay Packers in exchange for a second- round pick, according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer. "

    Not sure how reliable this is.
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    still fighting over the draft pick?

    LOL
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    The Browns just signed Shaun Rogers too.

    Lions get a third and Leigh Bodden.
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    They just really want to improve that Dline, no matter what the cost. They have NO first day picks.
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    For every guy you named there is a Mario Williams, Jamal Reynolds, Jamaal Anderson, Gaines Adams, Andre Carter, Bryan Thomas, Charles Grant, and Will Smith. I'm talking rookie season now. Not 2nd year.

    I didn't say all rookie DE's are doomed their rookie year or should I say that was not my point. My point was that it's a hard position to learn if you want a full time guy. A situational player is not what the Packers are looking for. KGB is that. The Packers in my opinion would be better off going for a veteran pass rusher like Jason Taylor or a Justin Smith rather than using their 1st round pick on, for example, Phillip Merling.

    7 out of 8 defensive rookie of the year this decade has been a LB (including Merrimen who is a 3-4 outside LB) Only 3 DE's have won rookie of the year in the last two decades I think. Kearse, Peppers and Simeon Rice which sort of echoes my point.

    KGB had 13.5 sacks in his second season.

    I don't see how the Packers could use a 1st (which I'm talking about) and expect to get better production than what they currently have in Jenkins and KGB. If they do and it works out then I believe the Packers did a great job in their scouting department.

    EDITED BY PORKY
    Forgot about Peppers rookie of the year.
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    Leigh Bodden is one of the most underrated corners in the league. Good job for Detroit.
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    Yeah, good job for detroit. i agree with that. not that i'm happy about it, but they did good. If i was matt millen i proabably would've accepted a case of MGD to ship Rogers' lazy *** off my team.

    but WHAT is the deal with cleveland!?!?! NO first day draft picks. Rogers and Williams aren't going to sign on the cheap, either. yow!
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    This definitely says second.

    "The Cleveland Browns will trade their 2008 second-round pick to Green Bay for defensive tackle Corey Williams. Cleveland then will agree to a deal with Williams that pays him $18 million in guaranteed money and $23 million in the first three years of the deal."
    -- Adam Schefter, nfl.com
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    Honestly I love this trade, and there is some good talent in the 2nd Round, but I can't help but suspect that the Packers would like to trade up, either in the 1st, or earlier in the 2nd Round Somehow. Trading a 2nd anda 3rd or 4th, or a second and a first to get an impact player could be worth. It question in who is the player?

    A Corner?, a Linebacker? Not sure if there is any other position that would be worth going up for someone.
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    I highly doubt the 56th and the 30th willl get them any where near the top 15, be lucky to get near top 20

    what type of impact player could be had around the 20th pick?
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    Actually Cleveland lost it's 'first day' picks when they traded a second for Corey Williams.

    The draft rounds have been adjusted, 1st and 2nd rounds are now on day 1 (first day draft picks), and rounds 3-7 are now on the second day (second day draft picks).
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    That's what we were saying there, Norman Einstein.
  19. all about da packers
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    It never hurts to state the obvious.

    Ah, and for those still not completely sure about whether it is a second or third round pick, Browns GM Phil Savage confirmed it was a second round pick. He also had this to add about how the deal came about:

    Courtesy JSOnline
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    Dude, that is hilarious.

    Savage: Let's make a deal here, but I'm not giving a 1st round pick.
    Thompson: How about a 2nd round pick?
    Savage: Deal! Sucker!


    poor browns.
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    Hey, maybe the Browns feel like they're on the cusp and are just loading up for a Super Bowl run....


    Oh man, i was alomst able to type that with a straight face... almost.
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    Here are a couple of scenarios based purely on the draft trade value chart.

    Possible Scenarios to Trade Up:
    1st Rd 30th (#30 Overall) Value 620
    2nd Rd 25th (#56 Overall) Value 340
    2nd Rd 30th (#60 Overall) Value 300
    Total Value: 1260 Get's to around Pick #11

    1st Rd 30th (#30 Overall) Value 620
    2nd Rd 25th (#56 Overall) Value 340
    3rd Rd 28th (#91 Overall) Value 136
    4th Rd 30th (#124 Overall) Value 48
    5th Rd 30th (#154 Overall) Value 29.8
    Total Value: 1173.8 Get's to around Pick #13


    1st Rd 30th (#30 Overall) Value 620
    2nd Rd 25th (#56 Overall) Value 340
    3rd Rd 28th (#91 Overall) Value 136
    4th Rd 30th (#124 Overall) Value 48
    Total Value: 1144 Get's to around Pick #14-13


    1st Rd 30th (1st Rd 30th (#30 Overall) Value 620
    2nd Rd 30th (#60 Overall) Value 300
    3rd Rd 28th (#91 Overall) Value 136
    4th Rd 30th (#124 Overall) Value 48
    5th Rd 30th (#154 Overall) Value 29.8
    Total Value: 1133.8 Get's to around Pick #14 (Maybe 15)


    1st Rd 30th (#30 Overall) Value 620
    2nd Rd 30th (#60 Overall) Value 300
    3rd Rd 28th (#91 Overall) Value 136
    4th Rd 30th (#124 Overall) Value 48
    Total Value: 1104 Get's to around Pick #14


    1st Rd 30th (#30 Overall) Value 620
    2nd Rd 25th (#56 Overall) Value 340
    3rd Rd 28th (#91 Overall) Value 136
    Total Value: 1096 Get's to around Pick #15-14


    1st Rd 30th (#30 Overall) Value 620
    2nd Rd 30th (#60 Overall) Value 300
    3rd Rd 28th (#91 Overall) Value 136
    Total Value: 1056 Get's to around Pick #15


    1st Rd 30th (#30 Overall) Value 620
    2nd Rd 25th (#56 Overall) Value 340
    4th Rd 30th (#124 Overall) Value 48
    5th Rd 30th (#154 Overall) Value 29.8
    Total Value: 1037.8 Get's to around Pick #15-16


    1st Rd 30th (#30 Overall) Value 620
    2nd Rd 30th (#60 Overall) Value 300
    4th Rd 30th (#124 Overall) Value 48
    5th Rd 30th (#154 Overall) Value 29.8
    Total Value: 997.8 Get's to around Pick #16-17


    1st Rd 30th (#30 Overall) Value 620
    2nd Rd 25th (#56 Overall) Value 340
    Total Value: 960 Get's to around Pick #16-17


    1st Rd 30th (#30 Overall) Value 620
    2nd Rd 30th (#60 Overall) Value 300
    Total Value: 920 Get's to around Pick #18-17


    those are just some scenarios.

    However, I'm of the opinion that if such a trade would happen, it would likely be both 2nds, or a 1st and a 2nd or 1st 2nd and 3rd or 1st and 3rd to move up somewhere between 15 and 25, and it would be for a specific player, My guess a Linebacker or Corner.
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    It's been announced on Packers.com now, it's official.

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