Will Teddy act now?

[tynimiller]

And I should add, since this thread is an obvious shot at Ted's incompetence, that this year's team has proven just how good Ted Thompson has been at building depth on our roster. We've lost our #2 and #3 receivers, we have at times been down to one or even zero RBs, and I can't count how many injuries we've had within our LB corps. Yet our passing game is still beyond respectable, our running game is one of the best in the league, and our defense is looking top-tier.

If 2010 didn't speak to Ted's ability to build a deep, talented, competitive roster, 2013 certainly does. Most teams would have fallen flat on their faces with the same injury issues, but we've prospered. Hate on TT all you want, but you can't argue with success.

I couldn't state it any better, post of the freaking week in my opinion!

 

[El Guapo]

...but cocaine is an upper. I think a downer drug more aptly fits this mentality.

Did anyone watch the MNF game last night? Let's NOT get Hakeem Nicks! Touchdown dropping machine

 

[Oshkoshpackfan]

...but cocaine is an upper. I think a downer drug more aptly fits this mentality.

Did anyone watch the MNF game last night? Let's NOT get Hakeem Nicks! Touchdown dropping machine

That game was a joke!!! Watching two flies f*ck woulda been more entertaining.

 

[Trapped In Vikingville]

Sorry BC, I'm afraid TT probably knows one or 2 things more than you (or me, or any of us) about football. I'm gonna have to stick with his decision making over yours. We don't always have to agree with him, but he has a little more on the line than a couple of Monday morning quarterbacks with nothing at stake. I ain't say'in I'm just say'in.

 

[Bus Cook]

Sorry BC, I'm afraid TT probably knows one or 2 things more than you (or me, or any of us) about football. I'm gonna have to stick with his decision making over yours. We don't always have to agree with him, but he has a little more on the line than a couple of Monday morning quarterbacks with nothing at stake. I ain't say'in I'm just say'in.

I think that there are 32 GMs that know a thing or two more than me, but that doesn't mean that everything all 32 of them do is good or smart. We are fortunate that this is a thread bemoaning the loss of 5 starting receivers from last season's roster. We have replaced none of them with anyone of any stature, althought certainly someone will step up, I highly doubt that 3, 4 or 5 will. Some say (me) that TT is an idiot for not addressing the position with someone more significant than a lingerie league WR, some say that his doing nothing is genius. One could extrapolate to our QB position. One that TT dealt with 6 days prior to opening day. If instead of 5 receivers from last year going down, one QB from last year went down, some (me) would say that his inaction was a complete indication of incompetence, others would argue (and they have) that since without AR we couldn't possible win our division, it would be pure greatness on the part of TT to save cap space by not paying a backup QB the kind of money that real backups command.

It isn't lost upon me that I am in a minority here, but I think TT is a hack and I don't like him. You take AR away from TT and he's a footnote next to Scooter Mclean. You take TT away from AR, I don't see him missing a beat.

 

[longtimefan]

GM should have found 5 starting wr (to replace the ones we lost) in less than a few months? Is that what you are saying?

Then we would have 5 starting wr being paid how much and taking what spots from who? What players do we not draft??..Do we lose Jolly's spot? etc...

I get your mad, but give us your idea on how this would be accomplished..I just dont see how we get 5 extra STARTING wr

Most teams have 4 but you think we needed 8 or 9?

 

[Bus Cook]

GM should have found 5 starting wr (to replace the ones we lost) in less than a few months? Is that what you are saying?

Then we would have 5 starting wr being paid how much and taking what spots from who? What players do we not draft??..Do we lose Jolly's spot? etc...

I get your mad, but give us your idea on how this would be accomplished..I just dont see how we get 5 extra STARTING wr

Most teams have 4 but you think we needed 8 or 9?

Well after he gets one, I guess I'll start to worry about too many.

 

[VolvoD]

Bus Cook, you are living up to your name.

 

[longtimefan]

Well after he gets one, I guess I'll start to worry about too many.

That isnt a real answer...

You are claiming Ted should have signed more..How would this been accomplished..Who is cut to make room, how much do you pay them?

 

[longtimefan]

I dont mind people wanting Ted to do something (I do too) but when complaining he isnt doing something..Give your opinion on how it will be accomplished..Not just say go get player X..

 

[tynimiller]

Okay, seriously Bus, I get ya, and while I would have liked him grabbing a WR in the draft with more skill than what he did look at from this facet.

We wanted a more run potent offense, TT and company saw the need for young OL (Bahk and Tretter), a stud RB (Lacy and Franklin to complement), got what they all felt was an awesome Defensive talent (Jones), stole Hyde as late as they did, and from there even the biggest critic can't argue the talent they picked up after Hyde. So going into the season this year TT and company added great depth to the OL with hopefully one starter between Bahk and Tretter, hopeful help along the front pass rush in Jones, and for once went into the season with potentially 5 RBs with chance to make team (Harris, Starks, Franklin, Lacy, Green...Kuhn would be 6). Top that off with a healthy Quarless coming back, Finley set to be here and the collection of serviceable TEs behind them (although I believe DJ or Crabtree, one atleast should have stayed).

At WR, TT and company, many others would vouch the same,obviously felt they were still top tier as for talent having 1a-Cobb 1b-Nelson and 1c-Jones....not many teams have 3 guys whom perform way above average and all can take over a game. Then you have accomplished (albeit in college) Boykin and a raw young slick/speedy kid in Ross (failed obviously). To that bunch TT and company draft 2 late round fliers and atleast one undrafted rookie that I remember in hopes of one sticking....how is that not being set at WR? We were blessed for years to have 4,5 and sometimes a talented 6th receiver....but in reality if you have a top 3 like ours and a very competent 4th you're crazy to waste money for more???

Just my .02, and it feels TT as for WR and TE has done what any smart and competent GM would do. Now as for a backup QB...I'm 100% behind getting a decent experienced backup or using a 2-4th round pick some year, because while we may not be a 12-14 win team without AR, we sure as heck should still be able to win 9 or 10 and maybe make playoffs in my opinion.

 

[Bus Cook]

I dont mind people wanting Ted to do something (I do too) but when complaining he isnt doing something..

Give your opinion on how it will be accomplished..Not just say go get player X..

I'm a fan. My job is to have my feet on the table, on Sunday morning, wearing my Packers Zubaz (commando if you care to know), have a fresh keg of PBR, and watch the game. I don't pretend to know who is out there and how good they are, nor do I have a crytal ball that enables me to know who will be good on our team two years from now. That's TTs job. I never said that we should sign 5 WRs, so I don't know where that comes from, but when there are 5 receivers that were contributing starters, on the team last year, yes 7 games ago, that are no longer able to play, I don't think that its unreasonable, as a fan, to expect that a GM sign a replacement for AT LEAST ONE of them. Not some hack street FA, but someone who has some stature. Some of the suggestions in other threads bear interest. Olson, Nicks and others may or may not be the answer, but to do nothing, while on a playoff run, really is sleeping at the wheel. So to answer your demand for answers, I've never suggested that we sign 5 WRS nor did I ever say that we should go get player X.

 

[tynimiller]

NO ONE CAN PLAN ON THIS MANY INJURIES..yes 7 receivers (if you include Crabtree and Williams) from last years team are temporarily out of commision or on other teams but Cobb and Jones both will be back just a matter of when, and Finley more than likely will be but may be next year....Driver (as much as I loved him) is no more serviceable than Boykin is presently and Jennings was a Diva not worth it.

So 5-2 (Cobb/Jones) is 3 guys you wanted TT to replace....and you can't blame TT for not being prepared for their injuries or Finley's so take his away too 3-1=2. Two receivers he didn't replace....or wait a second.

So Boykin didn't do anything really last year, so TT and company say we lost Jennings and Driver (who didn't contribute really either) slide Boykin up...k replaced one of them. 2-1=1 receiver left un-replaced.

So, Quarless is coming back healthy and is serviceable to say the least so one might argue he replaced the loss of DJ Williams at TE....so we still have just the 1 spot he didn't fill....

....enter the non-drafted/late round WRs we brought in, and the two rookie TEs (because remember we want to run a little bit more)....

So really he did address all the "loss" of receivers...again just my .02.

 

[13 Times Champs]

I'll dip my toe back into this insanity and say Thompson did draft a WR in the 2013 draft and his name was Charles Johnson.

 

[tynimiller]

....and Kevin Dorsey

 

[tynimiller]

Also don't sleep on this Harper rookie we just recently picked up...4th round pick that just didn't fit with other teams....different system/players/QB can mesh a lot better....

 

[rodell330]

Heck i think we needa extra wr..why not? theres a tight end hurt with no timetable for his return and a starting wr on IR for 7-8 weeks. Boykins had a good game but he's not a slot type wr, neither is Nelson or Jones. I have no confidence that Quarless is the answer at tightend as he shoulda been cut before DJ Williams. If anything you have a guy like Cecil Shorts in football purgatory in Jackonville who we could probably have for a 2nd round pick and doesn't have a high price tag. If i remember correctly he gave us the business last year and has some big play ability. There are options outside of over spending or givng up the farm. It's up to TT to make the moves tho.

 

[Bus Cook]

Okay, seriously Bus, I get ya, and while I would have liked him grabbing a WR in the draft with more skill than what he did look at from this facet.

We wanted a more run potent offense, TT and company saw the need for young OL (Bahk and Tretter), a stud RB (Lacy and Franklin to complement), got what they all felt was an awesome Defensive talent (Jones), stole Hyde as late as they did, and from there even the biggest critic can't argue the talent they picked up after Hyde. So going into the season this year TT and company added great depth to the OL with hopefully one starter between Bahk and Tretter, hopeful help along the front pass rush in Jones, and for once went into the season with potentially 5 RBs with chance to make team (Harris, Starks, Franklin, Lacy, Green...Kuhn would be 6). Top that off with a healthy Quarless coming back, Finley set to be here and the collection of serviceable TEs behind them (although I believe DJ or Crabtree, one atleast should have stayed).

At WR, TT and company, many others would vouch the same,obviously felt they were still top tier as for talent having 1a-Cobb 1b-Nelson and 1c-Jones....not many teams have 3 guys whom perform way above average and all can take over a game. Then you have accomplished (albeit in college) Boykin and a raw young slick/speedy kid in Ross (failed obviously). To that bunch TT and company draft 2 late round fliers and atleast one undrafted rookie that I remember in hopes of one sticking....how is that not being set at WR? We were blessed for years to have 4,5 and sometimes a talented 6th receiver....but in reality if you have a top 3 like ours and a very competent 4th you're crazy to waste money for more???

Just my .02, and it feels TT as for WR and TE has done what any smart and competent GM would do. Now as for a backup QB...I'm 100% behind getting a decent experienced backup or using a 2-4th round pick some year, because while we may not be a 12-14 win team without AR, we sure as heck should still be able to win 9 or 10 and maybe make playoffs in my opinion.

I'm with you on this. I have to way that this was the first year that I was stoked coming out of the draft. The RB and OL picks were exactly what I thought we needed. Even in hindsight, I wouldn't have wanted to pick a WR in the draft at the expense of what we got. BUT AFTER the draft, the Thompson hit the fan with our receivers. No I don't want to go out and get a franchise WR. No I don't want to blow the cap up for the next 8 years. No I don't want to get 5 new WR. No I don't want to trade CM3 for a TE. No I don't want to have to cut AR in order to make a place on our roster for a new receiver(s).But between all that irrational garbage (that I never proposed) and doing absolutely nothing, are a large number of very managable possibilities. We have a great stretch of somewhat easy games ahead of us, that would make acclimating a new WR to our system, well timed, so that when more difficult games and the playoffs come around, they can know the system and be contributors.

The biggest problem that I have with people that I consider too big of fans of TT is the notion that there is no space between doing nothing and doing something crazy. There are dozens of options that fall into the smart and rational category.

 

[rodell330]

I'll dip my toe back into this insanity and say Thompson did draft a WR in the 2013 draft and his name was Charles Johnson.

Yea but where is he now? because he's sure not on our roster contributing.

 

[tynimiller]

Heck i think we needa extra wr..why not? theres a tight end hurt with no timetable for his return and a starting wr on IR for 7-8 weeks. Boykins had a good game but he's not a slot type wr, neither is Nelson or Jones. I have no confidence that Quarless is the answer at tightend as he shoulda been cut before DJ Williams. If anything you have a guy like Cecil Shorts in football purgatory in Jackonville who we could probably have for a 2nd round pick and doesn't have a high price tag. If i remember correctly he gave us the business last year and has some big play ability. There are options outside of over spending or givng up the farm. It's up to TT to make the moves tho.

2nd round pick...you're willing to give up a 2nd round pick for Cecil Shorts??? C'Mon Man....Jordy Nelson, Eddie Lacy, Randall Cobb, Greg Jennings, Nick Collins, Ferguson, Clifton......those are just some of the recent guys worth 2nd round picks....Cecil Shorts doesn't belong even in the same discussion as these guys....and if I listed 3rd rounders same thing.

Why waste such a worthwhile pick for a present stop gap. Now if something can be had for like a 5th to a 7th....entertaining that may be worthy...but in the words of CC "C'MON MAN."

 

[tynimiller]

I'm with you on this. I have to way that this was the first year that I was stoked coming out of the draft. The RB and OL picks were exactly what I thought we needed. Even in hindsight, I wouldn't have wanted to pick a WR in the draft at the expense of what we got. BUT AFTER the draft, the Thompson hit the fan with our receivers. No I don't want to go out and get a franchise WR. No I don't want to blow the cap up for the next 8 years. No I don't want to get 5 new WR. No I don't want to trade CM3 for a TE. No I don't want to have to cut AR in order to make a place on our roster for a new receiver(s).But between all that irrational garbage (that I never proposed) and doing absolutely nothing, are a large number of very managable possibilities. We have a great stretch of somewhat easy games ahead of us, that would make acclimating a new WR to our system, well timed, so that when more difficult games and the playoffs come around, they can know the system and be contributors.

The biggest problem that I have with people that I consider too big of fans of TT is the notion that there is no space between doing nothing and doing something crazy. There are dozens of options that fall into the smart and rational category.

After reading this response I don't feel we're too terribly apart in our interpretation of what TT has done...me obviously more positive but still closer than farther.

 

[longtimefan]

Game one, all 9 te and wr..Just a refresher on who they started season with

Jones
Nelson
Finley
Ross
Taylor
Quarless
Bostick
Cobb
Boykin

 

[tynimiller]

Yea but where is he now? because he's sure not on our roster contributing.

There was no room for him! Shoot we had Nelson, Cobb, Jones, Boykin all clear cut above him and then we were hoping the raw speedy skills of Ross would catch wind but it didn't. When there is no room there is no room...we can argue over whether or not he deserved a spot for special teams contribution in the meantime but we got ST specialists like Bush and Kuhn for a big part we didn't need another....just sucks the injuries hit us hard and makes hindsight bite.

 

[13 Times Champs]

Yea but where is he now? because he's sure not on our roster contributing.

The issue was about TT not trying to do anything about the off season loses at WR. The pick didn't work out as a lot of draft picks don't.

 

[longtimefan]

No I don't want to get 5 new WR. No I don't want to trade CM3 for a TE. No I don't want to have to cut AR in order to make a place on our roster for a new receiver(s).But between all that irrational garbage (that I never proposed) and doing absolutely nothing, are a large number of very managable possibilities.

loss of 5 starting receivers from last season's roster. We have replaced none of them with anyone of any stature,

To me it says you wanted to replace those some if not all..

Sorry if I misunderstood, but I did ask if that is what you meant, you just didnt answer..