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Is Colledge the guy to single out? Every good run we've had, I've seen him set up the block that broke the guy free. Go watch Wynn's TD run again.
KGB94SACKEM said:First off, with all due respect, this is full of all sorts of contradicting things.
Tromadz, if you are not worried about the running game, that is fine. However, alot of us are and your reasoning does nothing but deflect from the problem. You say that you would rather trust Brett Favre with the ball than one of the RB's, however I remember you saying in a previous thread that the ball in Favre hands was no longer a good idea.
You go on to say that we should ignore the stats against good rushing defenses and look at week 8 when we play a bad rushing defense. That's like saying ignore how we play against good teams and just go by what we do against the bad ones.
You judge a team from what it does every game. I like to think that really great teams go into a game and do what they do, no matter if the run/pass defense is bad or not. Teams play THIER game. Right now our game is passing alot, which is fine, as long as it's working. However, we will have to line up and run the ball soon enough, no matter who we are playing, and we must be able to do it. They are trying now and they are having no success. The RB's are just not good enough and the O-Line is obviously not picking up the ZBS.
The concerns are valid
1. I did not say to IGNORE anything.
2. The reasoning I listed (we don't run often, we played good rush teams. We pass a lot[for a reason]) absolutely deflects from the 'problem' of the lack of a running game.
That is the point of the thread. How is it a problem? Are we 0-4? No, we're 4-0 cuz of our pass heavy gameplans.
When we rush a lot, and if we fail, and if we lose, THEN it is a problem.
You judge a team from what it does every game.
Really? Maybe you do. I judge it by result and gameplan.
Results so far: 4-0
Gameplan: Pass against bad coverages.
I guess that's where we differ.
You think we should run a lot every game(even if it results in bad averages, punts, and overall hurts the team). I do not.
Not trying to argue or anything here, but didn't Ted draft guys specifically for ZBS?all about da packers said:I don't think we just gave up on it and went to a completely different blocking scheme. Are you seeing our RB going to a specific gap for a run play, or is he picking his spot?
I think dh is saying that our linemen are more suited to drive block as opposed to cutblock.
tromadz said:KGB94SACKEM said:First off, with all due respect, this is full of all sorts of contradicting things.
Tromadz, if you are not worried about the running game, that is fine. However, alot of us are and your reasoning does nothing but deflect from the problem. You say that you would rather trust Brett Favre with the ball than one of the RB's, however I remember you saying in a previous thread that the ball in Favre hands was no longer a good idea.
You go on to say that we should ignore the stats against good rushing defenses and look at week 8 when we play a bad rushing defense. That's like saying ignore how we play against good teams and just go by what we do against the bad ones.
You judge a team from what it does every game. I like to think that really great teams go into a game and do what they do, no matter if the run/pass defense is bad or not. Teams play THIER game. Right now our game is passing alot, which is fine, as long as it's working. However, we will have to line up and run the ball soon enough, no matter who we are playing, and we must be able to do it. They are trying now and they are having no success. The RB's are just not good enough and the O-Line is obviously not picking up the ZBS.
The concerns are valid
1. I did not say to IGNORE anything.
2. The reasoning I listed (we don't run often, we played good rush teams. We pass a lot[for a reason]) absolutely deflects from the 'problem' of the lack of a running game.
That is the point of the thread. How is it a problem? Are we 0-4? No, we're 4-0 cuz of our pass heavy gameplans.
When we rush a lot, and if we fail, and if we lose, THEN it is a problem.
You judge a team from what it does every game.
Really? Maybe you do. I judge it by result and gameplan.
Results so far: 4-0
Gameplan: Pass against bad coverages.
I guess that's where we differ.
You think we should run a lot every game(even if it results in bad averages, punts, and overall hurts the team). I do not.
He never said we should run it a lot every game. He simply said that eventually we will
SMELL THE GLOVE CHRISTMAS TREE :twisted:
IF these guys we're not stout enough to run block I would think that would carry over even MORE in pass protection. If your not big enough or strong enough to hang in there they would be getting steamrolled in pass protection.
Typically an offensive line is either good or not good but when I hear talk about a certain "0" line I very seldom hear they are very good at one thing and very lousy at another.
pack_in_black said:Good post, 93.
I think that the technique is definitely lacking, but I'd say that falls on the coaching staff, not the players. It seems like everything that goes bad, this coaching staff seems to pick up on and get corrected. And if you look around the league, they seem to fix problems pretty quick by comparison.
what are the knocks on the Packers right now?
Run defense: good
Pass defense: good/should become great
Pass offense: Favre.
Pass protection: good/almost darn good
Run blocking: undeclared/poor technique
Running backs: Good in pass pro/No opportunities to run
I'd say we're a good team this year.
This is why I say we will have to transition back to a traditional two back offense and run everything in the playbook out of it before we are going to see any great results in the run game.
pack_in_black said:This is why I say we will have to transition back to a traditional two back offense and run everything in the playbook out of it before we are going to see any great results in the run game.
I wouldn't say neccesarily everything needs to be run out of a two back set, but I do agree that those formations seem to just telegraph our intentions.
A higher percentage of passes out of those sets would do the trick then, I suppose.
We need to run the ball, sooner or later. If we had success doing it and just were not doing it much I wouldn't be concerned. However when we try it looks borderline pathetic.
KGB94SACKEM said:We need to run the ball, sooner or later. If we had success doing it and just were not doing it much I wouldn't be concerned. However when we try it looks borderline pathetic.
Who woulda thought running it under 20 times total wouldn't get great results.
Oh, just about everyone.
week 8.
All I see is you saying we should judge our running game off of week 8. That makes little sense. Of course you should be able to run against bad teams. What about the other teams? What do you do when you are up by 7 with the ball with 2:00 left? Do you pass the ball?
You have to run the ball.
KGB94SACKEM said:All I see is you saying we should judge our running game off of week 8. That makes little sense. Of course you should be able to run against bad teams. What about the other teams? What do you do when you are up by 7 with the ball with 2:00 left? Do you pass the ball?
Easy, you do WHAT WORKS!
Sometimes it's running, but with this offense that has great QB|WR talent, guess what it's going to be. Go on, guess.
You have to run the ball.
Even when it's against top 10 teams and our backs are banged up. Riiiight.