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As did ours.didnt their defense get much worse in 2011? I mean you might as well list Babin as well. But if the product on the field is a disaster what difference does it make?
As did ours.didnt their defense get much worse in 2011? I mean you might as well list Babin as well. But if the product on the field is a disaster what difference does it make?
As did ours.
Well then maybe this does:???
The discussion was the impact the Free Agents had on the Eagles, while successful individually as a whole they were a disaster, so your response doesnt really seem to fit.
Well then maybe this does:
From the Green Bay Press Gazette:
"This season(i.e 2011), according to STATS, Jenkins had 17½ knockdowns and hurries, which ranked No. 7 among defensive tackles.
“(Jenkins’) ability to get after the passer is a statistic that’s underrated,” linebacker Desmond Bishop said. “(Sacks are) one of the biggest correlations between winning and losing, close to turnovers. (His absence) kind of took away from Clay’s production and the production of the defense as a whole.”
He did have a positive impact on the Philly defense and his loss was a negative impact on ours.
Well I'll take a players opinion every time over a poster. You ask what Jenkins contributed to the Eagles and I told you what it was. He was a productive player for them and I gave you his stats for 2011. So as far as I'm concerned I've addressed your comment and trying to draw a nebulous connection to the entire Eagles defense doesn't work for me. He did his part for them as he had for us. Carry on.Again you fail to address how to weigh individual stats in the grand scheme of having terrible defense. If player x goes to the Texans and is a pro bowler but the team turns into a terrible defense is that really a positive?
Desmond Bishops opinion is noted but I take a players opinion with a grain of salt. Most of them have X's and O's knowledge but very little idea of what it takes to build a winner and let their emotions guide them. Payton Manning is a good example recently.
I wanted them to keep Cullen Jenkins.13, what FAs did you want to sign last year? A cb? An olb? An OT? Would the packers have won the SB if they did? I'm not so sure. With the way we were decimated by injuries, character and chemistry were vital. Who is not going to get extended this year because of those lost cap dollars? Would any of the teams FAs be wanting more because of the FA money those signings got? Would Raji want to rework his deal because your free agent is making 2x what he is? Would there be an iota of dissention among the players of jealousy and an attitude of an outsider who is jumping in now for the success but wasn't here for the building? Those feelings and attitudes exist.
Taking a look at Free Agency:
Negative
Economics: TT is competing against teams that have to turn a profit. Signing FAs generates excitement and ticket sales. A FA is worth more to Washington or Philly.
Cap limit, in a cap limity economy this reduces your options for other positions
Disrupts chemistry - players will want money based on bar set by FA
Unknown commodity - locker room character - why exactly did his former team not resign him? Draft allows you to rid yourself of bad team mates before too much is invested.
While Reggie White was a home run, were all the other players considered great pick ups? Fast forward to now, where does Howard Green land? He was very important to the SB last season in a couple games but has been for the most part, useless this season
Not trying to speak for anyone else but Walker was one of the worst Free Agent signings in history (Oakland)
Its really simple.I don't get what this has to do with anything
Signing a Free Agent will only turn a profit if that player is attributing to your team winning. And a Free Agent who can help your team win is not a bad thing. A free agent's worth is based on what he does for your team on the field.
I don't think a low priced FA can come on this team and be much of an improvement.You can still sign Free Agents to your squad, that can help your team and not have to pay very much. We like to pride our organization on having a great eye for talent, but yet we still look at Free Agency like we are emptying our pockets and killing our team and our future.
Yes, I have seen what the Patriots have done. They went after a lot of FAs a while back. They slowed down their FA acquisitions and they have improved.Does anybody see what the Patriots do? They build through the draft and sign cheap Free Agents that deliver for their team and they aren't burning money, killing their locker room or giving up their draft picks.
College kids new to a program are screened well through the interview process. Those who TT is wrong about, get cut. It is a huge difference if you have a young NT come in and start complaining about the system. It is another matter if you sign Al Hayensworth and he comes in and starts whispering things about the practices being to hard; how this player or that is getting screwed on thier contract, how . . . . Yes, you can cut him, but already the seeds of dissension are sown.How are Free Agent additions any more of unknown commodities than Draft Picks?
If anything you'll know more about a Free Agent than a Draft Pick. At least Free Agents are used to a professional NFL locker rooms.
I wanted them to keep Cullen Jenkins.
We can't take Al Davis serious (RIP). He drafted JaMarcus Russel because he could throw a ball 50 yards from his knee.
Howard Green wasn't a free agent signing... They guy was picked up midseason due to injuries. That's like saying Erik Walden was a free agent signing.
Well I'll take a players opinion every time over a poster. You ask what Jenkins contributed to the Eagles and I told you what it was. He was a productive player for them and I gave you his stats for 2011. So as far as I'm concerned I've addressed your comment and trying to draw a nebulous connection to the entire Eagles defense doesn't work for me. He did his part for them as he had for us. Carry on.
Packers have too many of there own young players who will need to be resigned in the next 2 years. TT will not pursue any notable FA's this year. He needs to hit some home runs in the draft this year. The pass rush HAS to be improved.
So you don't like stats to reinforce a position. Sorry you don't like the use of them in a debate. Like I said he did his part for the Eagles defense. Last time I checked there were 11 players on defense. You seem to be saying that every free agent guy that goes to another team should automatically result in that defense making a jump upwards. Depends on the overall talent of the team. It might make a huge difference to a team that needs a piece or two or very little to a talent poor team.Where did I ask for stats? Yeah I can google as well as the next guy. I didn't ask what he did I wanted to know if in your opinion it's still a success if the offense or defense gets much worse with a players signing.... But I think you were just trying to say you value the stats more so than his impact directly to the W Column. Carry on...
For me there are several posters opinions I value more than any of the current players. Maybe thats Favres fault though, his GM like comments always looked terrible a few years later. we also have some excellent posters around here, to give credit where credit is due.
So you don't like stats to reinforce a position. Sorry you don't like the use of them in a debate. Like I said he did his part for the Eagles defense. Last time I checked there were 11 players on defense. You seem to be saying that every free agent guy that goes to another team should automatically result in that defense making a jump upwards. Depends on the overall talent of the team. It might make a huge difference to a team that needs a piece or two or very little to a talent poor team.
I don't automatically disregard a players comments as invalid. Bishops comments were pretty relevant in my opinion. They shouldn't be dismissed simply because they don't fit within ones argument. They play the game and know a lot more about football than arm chair QB's imo.
I dont think you are even on the same page as me.