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Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Chamuko, Sep 4, 2006.

  1. pyledriver80
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    I agree, but what about the other 4 dozen teams?
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    In an effort to tarnish the allure of talented FAs that cost more than the league minimum, certain posters have pointed to the Skins and the Queens as examples of why the FA doesn't work. Instead, they claim that building through the draft will make you a Super Bowl contender like the Pats and the Steelers.

    Unfortunately, I am not gullible enough to believe either of these theories is 100% right or 100% wrong.

    It is true you get young talent from the draft, and these rookies are tomorrow's playmakers. All 36 teams get an equal part in the draft relevant to how well they finished the year before. Therefore, all teams build through the draft by default. This is how the league works.

    However, sometimes you have a position (or positions) that need an immediate fix, or all teams will exploit this weakness to their advantage. In these cases, you don't always have time to wait for this year's draft class to develop. This is why there is a FA. The top FAs are generally the ones with the most talent and experience in their position. This is why they cost more than cut-rate player off the waiver wire.

    Teams need the draft to keep their lines strong. Teams also need the FA to shore up weaknesses. I do not believe focusing on one over the other will build you a championship team faster than using them both in tandem. This is why I disagree with what some people have been posting about FAs costing so much. They cost so much because they are proven. Period.

    If you don't think that FAs help win championships, think what the mid-1990's would have been like if Ron Wolf ignored the FA and Reggie White had remained in Philly. Do you still think Favre would have got his ring in Super Bowl XXXI???
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    that was in 1996... the times, they are a changing

    you really cant name a blockbuster Free agent pickup on the last 6 superbowl teams. truth is. draft to solidify a team, pick and choose lots of bargain, proven players. dont blow your proverbial wad on free agents that had one good year.
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    Packnic said
    That's not the argument. Why does everyone say it's an "either or argument"? Are you saying that any free agency moves is "blowing your wad"? Hell, what happened to Gardner and Boreigter? Didn't TT "blow his wad" on them?

    Can't a GM possibly pick up FA's that are good and contribute to the team instead having to be cut because they were the wrong guys? Oh wait, that's what New England does. They know how to sign FA's who can stick around and contribute.

    And that is exactly what Ron Wolf did. He picked up veteran FA talent that contributed to the SB. He didn't "blow his wad" on overpriced free agents.

    It's not either/or. TT just doesn't seem to be that good in picking up FA's..which is in his job description, isn't it?
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    Didn't TT get them off the waivers?
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    Philly picked up T.O. and went to Superbowl XXXIX. This disproves your FA theory, unless of course, you don't consider T.O. "a blockbuster free agent pickup". Additionally, if Denver goes all the way this year a lot of people are going to look at the Walker signing being instumental in that regard. Not to mention that if T.O. works out in Dallas and they make it all the way to Miami, many people are going to say the T.O. signing got them there.

    I don't see the "times a changing" at all. What I do see however, is a lot of B.S. being spread around this board. :roll:
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    Terrell Owens was injured the final few games of the season and missed the entire post season with coming back for the Super Bowl

    The Eagles had went to three straight championships previous to making it to the SB in a game in which Owens did not play in.
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    Yeah, there goes that theory! You guys seem to be lost. It doesn't have to be Terrell Owens but how bout' ummmmm, maybe....hmmmmmm......a DAMN OFFENSIVE LINEMAN! Or maybe ummm, hmmmm........A decent Number 2 WR!
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    I am not debating Owen's injury, or the fact that he missed the last few games prior to the Super Bowl. Packnic claimed that there were no big FA signings on the last 6 Super Bowl teams. I was merely pointing out that Owens was a big FA signing, and Philly went to the Super Bowl the year they signed him. The same thing can be said about Denver or Dallas if they make it there this year.
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    Who did Denver sign as a FA?
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    Trivia Question Zero - While TO was injured who filled in??
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    yeah and as evidence shows...TO was worth the money spent in philly!!
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    Fair enough. That was a trade.

    However, Walker did not join them by way of the draft, which was the heart of Packnic's argument.
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    This article here makes it out to be a trade for Owens as well. If I remember correctly he was not a free agent which is why all the fuss about him going to the Ravens.
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    Without looking. Knowing the lack of character you are (purely opinion of course) I'd have to say your boy Stinkson!! heh :p



    With looking. It was # 83 Greg Lewis. Pinkston started all 16 games. Lewis started only a fraction of the games
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    Bentley at Center and Wells at one Guard spot would have been a good pick up for GB.
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    Isn't Bently out for the year with an injury?


    I agree though. He could have helped the Packers.
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    I see your URL and raise you another URL:

    Owens Released by Philadelphia

    He was released by Philly 14 March 2006, making him an UFA. He was then signed by Dallas four days later.
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    I'm not debating him signing as a FA with Dallas. That I'm aware of.

    The Eagles made a trade to get him. He wasn't a free agent signee.
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    New England Brought in

    Corey Dillon
    Rodney Harrison
    Ted Washington
    Tyrone Poole

    The Eagles Brought

    Trotter
    Owens
    Kearse


    Carolina brought in

    Stephen Davis
    Proehl - Veteran leadership that TT doesn't believe in!


    Oakland Brought in

    Jerry Rice
    Charlie Garner
    Sam Adams
    Rod Woodson


    TB Brought in

    Roman Oben
    Keenan McCardell
    Simeon Rice



    These guys were all significant contributors to thier football teams. The theory just doesn't hold water!
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    Unreal, questioning my character because you disagree with me.
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    William Henderson. Marquand Manuel.

    Two off the top of my head that Ted claimed to have veteran leadership.
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    Where was the disagreement? You asked a question. I gave it a quick (you requested 'quick') shot without looking it up. Then looked it up to find the answer.

    I can question anyone on any grounds I see fit. Deal with it. You can do it just the same.
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    Marquand Manual......4 Years???? Thats quite a bit of veteran leadership there!
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    pyle gets to pick what a veteran is

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