Suck for Luck

If you want to sticky it it's up to you.

What I do know is the idea of Luck is becoming more and more tempting. I have been arguing with Colts fans over this lately. Many still hold onto hope for the Manning era to continue. Just does not feel right to me at times. He is going to be 36 next season and had 3 neck surgeries.

I am not one of the Peyton Colts fans who jumped on the wagon years ago.

There are times lately I would almost love to move forward with a new head coach and QB and start over.

Seriously, I think Manning might be the only player to not take a snap in a season and still be deserving of MVP.

Possibly. But, we have deeper issues then just at QB IMO. We have a lot of issues.......

This was not a real contender I feel even with a healthy Manning.

Well, the loss of one man should not completely destroy a team, that's for sure. Look how many the Packers lost last year and they still won it all.

Of course one of them was not Rodgers.

I have been arguing with Colts fans over Luck for a few days now. I like the kid. He will only get better. Watched the first half of the Stanford game tonight. He does not wilt under pressure, he will get plenty of that in the NFL. He also has mobility. He is smart. He is accurate. He is a leader.

I think he is going to be the real deal.

Problem is, if Manning can come back (and I have doubts about his longevity if he does) I don't think you can have both.

I love Manning but I am thinking of the future here too.

Would not mind a new head coach too. Actually a new coach is needed. Caldwell is horrible. Caldwell needs to go if we got Luck. I don't want him tainting the poor young lad.

Luck will have power too. He could pull an Elway or Eli if he does not want a team I am guessing.

I would not mind the first pick now. Problem is you have a team like Miami who seems dead set on it. And if the Rams got it or another team who may not want a QB they could trade it away.

This team has no leadership either. Dungy and Manning were our biggest leaders.

Well, there is still Miami in the race. The Rams should be, but they don't want to admit Sam Bradford really sucks, yet.

And Miami screws up yet another 4th quarter lead and blows the game. Still running neck and neck with Indy, who also lost yet again.

****ing Miami

The thing is, Luck could very well also pull a draft day trade a la Eli or Elway. Would not shock me.

Also, if Manning returns why would Luck want to sit on the bench as the consensus first pick in the draft? And would Manning be pissed if the Colts drafted Luck if he can still play for at least a few more years?

And who wants to play for the Dolphins?

Stay tuned.

If Manning can still play at a high level, if his neck doesn't end his career, you stick with him. It's not the same situation with Favre, Favre didn't attend OTAs, Favre was a gunslinger. Favre constantly complained about how management did things and he tried to hold them hostage when his demands weren't met. Manning is one heck of a leader and is extremely hardworker.

I'm not saying you don't draft a QB in the 1st round, if one falls to you you absolutely do, he's 35 years old for crying out loud. But you don't draft one with the 1st or 2nd or a top 10 pick. There will be players extremely valuable at those spots.

What I'm saying is, you don't plan to draft a replacement QB. If the value is too much to pass (as was with Rodgers, he was far and beyond the best value at that spot) you get the guy, but you can't go in expecting to draft one, not when you still have a QB for at least 3 years, and with Manning it might even go further, the guy is much like Favre in that aspect.

You can't do that with QBs. You can't get an average QB. It's not like other positions that you can find later in the draft. In norm, QBs outside of the 1st round are only backups...

I do think they will draft one at some point but, as I've said before, drafting for need is extremely risky, moreso if it's a QB.

35 yr old nfl QB with 3 neck surgeries that went to europe to get stem cell therapy or watever he did? Yeah I am not passing on a great QB prospect. I dont trust that Manning will ever be Manning again and if he is, how long will it last?

As I've said, I agree that if he is not the same they should draft Luck or whomever they like at QB. I'm not that certain about his health as you are, though. Would he still be rounding the team if he didn't expect to be back? And if he is healthy and back to form, is it worth to get a QB in such a shallow team, in terms of talent? What guarantees that the QB they draft is going to pan out? What's not to say that, in drafting Luck, they're passing on the next Suh or Polamalu, a guy that will completely change their fortunes, specially if Manning is back?

In the end, I trust TT's system. What is the best talent available, but what are the positions that are going to be problems in the near future? If they believe that Manning is only worth 1-2 seasons, with decreased play, and Luck is the best prospect, they should get him.

But if they believe they still have 5 good years of Manning, then a backup QB isn't a big priority. That could change if the value of the player was far beyond the ones available, but can you say that Luck is that guy? That he's in a class of his own? That his value is 1 round higher than the others?

I think Luck is the top pick and I also feel just from looking at Mannings play over the past few years he is in a state of decline. Example Y/A (we both love it) they have decresed every year since 2004 minus one year. Not a good sign. The past 3 years his INTs have increased. Could this be purely health related? Sure, but at 34 I dont expect an improvement. And who is to say drafting luck and benching him behind Manning isnt something that will motivate Manning even more? Not like that guy needs more motivation but it could have an effect.

LMFAO that is awesome

I actually am hoping that neither team ends up with Luck.

The Colts are playing as if they are bound to lose, and it's really pathetic. They just gave up against the Saints in the first quarter, and then they didn't even try against Tennessee.

I don't hate the Dolphins but that organization is a cheap joke. They had a chance for Harbaugh and passed the opportunity to stick with an under achieving coach that sucks, not mention WHY is Chad Henne still on the roster?

I won't be shocked if the Skins do what they can to get Luck. Shanahan will want this guy. Bad.

As for the Colts yes it is very pathetic. I am at the point I am almost ashamed of the men in charge of this thing. I love the team, but am furious at Polian/Irsay and Caldwell and the BS excuses they make.

I slept until 2:30 on Sunday and knew when I turned on Colts/Titans we would be behind. Oh big shocker, we had zero points by then.

Yeah the stem cell therapy thing is a big alarm to me. WTF is that about?

I fear Peyton is turning into Favre. I said this last season. What is going on? Is it injuries? With Dungy here he kept him calm and his interceptions went down when he became our coach. With Caldwell it's like Peyton runs the team and does what he damn pleases.

And Peyton does resemble Favre in some ways. Multiple MVPs, one SB win, one SB loss. Ahhhhhhh.

This team is becoming a joke lol.

Did you hear that Phil Simms said he knows for a fact that Peyton will demand a trade or release if the Colts take Luck?

WTF. This has to be untrue and a nightmare. OMG.

Thing is you can't have Luck sitting on the bench too long if YOU SPEND THE FIRST PICK on him. I have spent hours arguing with this with Colts fans who think they can have both for years. You can't. You just can't. We would also have way too much money on the QB position with so many holes on the team.

Also, some claim the Colts WILL take Luck.

What is gonna happen? Will we have to trade or release Peyton? Then he plays for the Ravens or Titans and we end up seeing pictures of his crotch?

This can't happen.