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Stealers are AFC: So what?

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Forget Favre, Feb 5, 2011.

  1. LombardiChick
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    LombardiChick Win or lose, I love this team.

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    Please. You have an asterisk of your own from that Seahawks game. The officials even admitted it.
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    Only by fans of teams who think their teams are the best ever, and there was no way scrubs like the Pats could ever beat them fairly. You know, like Stooler fans.
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    I'll add to it. That 99 yard Harrison run was fake from start to finish. You had at least three holding calls on that.
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    The Seahawks game always is a fun one. If Seattle was sooo good, where was their long Alexander run (he didn't show up, if I remember correctly), where were the times where Hasselbeck overcame the close penalities, by not throwing interceptions? Where was Seattles defense on the Willie run, or the reverse Randel El to Ward pass? Where was Seattles kicker missing two kicks from 40 some yards in a dome?

    Some calls like the Ben touchdown by millimeters is still tough to call. But, to the point, the Seahawks had one big play and that was the interception return where the Steelers were about to go up 21-3. If that interception didnt happen, the Steelers win this one bigger than 21-10.
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    Tomorrows a new game... Let's see if James can make it two Superbowls in a row! I'm sure Rodgers gets intercepted quite a few times in this game.
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    Kinda gets under your skin when your championships and/or Super Bowl wins are called "tainted" doesn't it? Ya all do that to everyone else - Patriots, Packers, etc...

    Kinda sucks when their are ten fingers pointed back at you, right?

    Better get that ******* lumber outta your eye. :Heristical:
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    You want GB to forget it's history and championships because of the merger and a name change of the game? It's always team fans without any championships from that time that want to do that, ironically. Steelers had just as many chances to win championships pre-SB as GB did. They didn't. So when you compare championships to the Steelers, It's pretty fair to say GB has more. You just have more in the SB-era.

    To forget about the history and say it doesn't matter because things have changed kind of makes for a slippery slide. Who decides then which SB or championships count? Eventually somebody could say the SB's before 1990 don't matter cause so much has changed, new rules, free agency, so it's much harder now to win SBs now. What happens if the NFL goes International? Do we reset every team to 0 then and start over counting Championships? Obviously, it's best to just let it be.

    If the Steelers win tomorrow they'll have 7 SB Championships. The most in the SB era. That's an awesome feat and trust me, I'm envious of the Steeler's successes in the SB era. But as far as total championships, it's would still be 2 behind the Bears.
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  8. SteelIsStrongerThanCheese
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    Still the Steelers were never fined for any of the Superbowl penalties that were pretty spot on. I know the Patriots were fined and lost a draft pick for Spygate.

    The Steelers - Cardinals game was also tick-tacky. There were so many penalties in that game my head was starting to spin. Granted most of them were on the Cardinals D but there were many key calls against the Steelers in that game that were also questionable. The Steelers also had the touchdown with Ben at the beginning that was called down. It was like deja vu all over again, but we got 3 points, and 3 and a half quarters later still won that game.
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    We're not talking about whether Seattle was "sooooo good", are we? The blown calls that went your way in that game actually caused the referee sleepless nights - and you're talking "what if" about an interception return? Here - please read:

    RENTON, Wash. (AP) -- Saying "I'll go to my grave" with regret, NFL referee Bill Leavy reopened a Seahawks' wound that won't heal by acknowledging he made mistakes in Seattle's disputed, 2006 Super Bowl loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers.

    The veteran official began an annual training-camp rules interpretation session with the Seattle media after practice on Friday by bringing up the sore subject without being asked.

    "It was a tough thing for me. I kicked two calls in the fourth quarter and I impacted the game, and as an official you never want to do that," said the veteran of 15 NFL seasons and two Super Bowls.

    "It left me with a lot of sleepless nights, and I think about it constantly," Leavy said of the game in February 2006. "I'll go to my grave wishing that I'd been better."

    Terrible. If I were a Steelers fan, you can be damned well sure I would not be talking about asterisks applying to other teams. That's the point.
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    Funny the Steelers were never part of the AFL, they were part of the NFL from 1933 to 1970 when they were moved to the AFC.

    Other fact, the Packers have won 3 super bowls going on 4.

    The Browns were part of the All-America Football Conference and won all four of the AAFC's titles which lead to it's demise and later moved to the NFL and won 4 more World Titles

    Then why were the previous title games called World Championships? You're like a normal Steel fan your argue the number of NFL titles is wrong cause no one should care about the pre-super bowl era, well you're wrong the NFL titles by teams: NFL Titles <--Bottom of page.

    Here's a lesson you should learn, Never argue with Packer fans about history of the NFL, we got you beat, thus 12 is greater than 6!
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    And yet, we were never fined or anyhing for cheating either. So...??
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    No bother at all. We have those Lombardis. Double your teams if I remember correctly. So, no, I'm not bothered in the least.

    and if you don't think this means the Commish has branded your team as cheaters you need must be taking ESL

    For Lombardichick, read the story here
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    You know who got screwed because of Cheating? The Packers. They won a Super Bowl in 1996. They returned to the Super Bowl in 1997. Their opponent, Denver, used a series of illegal salary cap violations in order to keep a team together that then won a Super Bowl that, had they played by the rules, probably would not have been in to begin with. They then followed up that Super Bowl in 1997 by winning the next one - again, by not having to lose players to free agency by using illegal methods to circumvent the Salary Cap.

    THAT is cheating, and they gained a SERIOUS competitive advantage by doing so. Why does no one call Denver cheaters? Their actions actually gave them an advantage over other teams BIG TIME.

    Oh, and the Steelers, among other teams, were also found to be manipulating salary caps as well. Are they cheaters?
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    As Lombardichick would say ... link please
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    What the hell has this thread turned into? My God SteelIsStrongerThanCheese, let it go man you're making yourself look like a tool.
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    I've never heard of this, do you a reference?
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    Here's what the fine/loss of pick was for:

    Hope this helps.
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    Wow before this thread, the Steelers were one of my top 15 favorite teams, well the are now dead last at 32.
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    Steelers - first link I found. I was recalling from memory:

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    same here. I believe Jerry Jones in the 90's did similar maneuvers to avoid the salary cap.
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    The only ones I know about where there were fines and/or loss of picks were the Steelers, 49ers, and the Broncos.

    The Cowboys reference I didn't know about but here is a quick link:

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    Just goes to show you that teams will circumvent the rules if they have a chance. Especially if it saves them money.
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    and wins them championships. Cheating isn't new to the NFL. Lombardi was paranoid about Bear's spies at their practices.
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    sigh cant we all just admit that the steelers since the merger have been unstoppable
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PX0xYgm0QQ]YouTube - Superbowl 30 XXX Trophy Presentation Dallas Cowboys beat Pittsburgh Steelers[/ame]
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  25. LombardiChick
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    Thanks, SteelerTim, I'll look at that.

    I just wrote a long one with a link and a bunch of text from the NFL's Constitution and Bylaws, but it's just TMI. I'll go for brevity instead, but click if you want to see details on this.

    I'll just say where I stand on this: I think the Patriots were wrong not to follow the 2006 memo that was issued - but if the C&B that was current at the time contradicted that memo (it did - and what BB did was to follow the NFL Constitution and Bylaws, rather than the memo), then that is the NFL's fault, not the Patriots'.

    The C&B seemed to me to have been poorly written - it leaves room for BB's interpretation of it. (You can read it at the link.) It twice talks about the current game - implying that it applies to use of fresh videotape during that game.

    The Pats didn't do that.

    This could be argued all day (but who wants to??), but my point is this: I think the Pats probably deserved a whack for following the C&B but ignoring the memo, but what they do not deserve is to have their Super Bowl victories called into question over this.

    That's about all I can say at this point. I'd rather talk about the Packers, frankly.
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