smack from green blood and frank

Yep that was it... that was the fun Matt Flynn game, which was part of our undoing as Rodgers was building up a bit of rust. I wish that week of the Lion game could have been the Giants game instead, before the pot head went into the icy river and froze our momentum, and broke his family's hearts.

What a prick. Still putting football as a higher priority than a kid's life.

You guys seen anything better than "mediocre" from any of our other RB's this whole season?
I didn't think so.

All MM wants now is a guy who can stay on the field, and can pick up guys going after Rodgers.

LeGarrette Blount is a loose cannon. He's in the Suh category. There's a reason the Packers don't draft guys like this.
And there's a reason Tennessee let him go after he lost his temper there.

And Phlbin's kid didn't die from some act of God or natural causes or something.
Belcher didn't either.
I respect life, but sometimes people act like jerk's, evil, and their actions cause a lifetime of misery and heartache for others.
I have less pity, far less, for those people than I do a kid who gets cancer, a family who's wiped out when a drunk driver smashes into their car, etc.

You find nothing wrong with the way Philbin's kid was, or Andy Reid's punk kid, than you have less expectations as a human being than I do, that's your prerogative, fine.

If you care more about the assistant coaches kids than you do the Packers, then I assume you send birthday cards to Trgovic and Greene's kids.

I care about people more than I care about football. I also have a basic respect for the dead. Call it a character flaw. It's high time you get over it and quit dragging the Philbin family through the mud on this forum. It's despicable. If you can't recognize that, then maybe you need counseling.

Sounds to me like you'd be more than happy to whack a couple of assistant coaches' kids if it meant the Packers would win a Superbowl. After all, since you care more about the Packers than you do those kids, then it should be a nice trade-off in your mind, right?

I suppose you've lived a perfect life, haven't you? Michael Philbin may have done something stupid, but that doesn't mean he deserved to die and it certainly doesn't mean he's less important than football.

Then why is Walden on the roster?

Why did Green remain on the roster after 2005?

I call B.S.

So do I, but while you wrote that, a few people were murdered in America and a few more were killed in car crashes. You didn't know them any more or any less than you did Philbin's kid.

Joe, and his family, are not in here reading these things, first of all.
Second, they are well aware that it was the bad choices that the kid made, time and time again, that led to his death.

Yeah, I'd rather have the kid have been a choir boy, still been alive, and the Packers have won that game. That's true.

Nobody is perfect, but I didn't do those bad things that my parents taught me not to do, but that doesn't mean he deserved to die. Plenty of kids act badly, and don't die. He did. That's sad.
That doesn't change the fact that it DID affect the Packers that week, that game. Anyone who was close to them, that locker room, that week, knows it did, and that bothers me when people act like it didn't have anything to do with the egg the Packers laid that day.

By the way, everyone here was rooting for the Packers to win the Super Bowl last year.
None of us wanted Mike Philbin to die.

This one is simple:
Was Ahman Green already on the roster when that happened? Yes, he was.
Was Eric Walden already on our team when that happened? Yes, he was.
Was Johnny Jolly already a Packer when that thug got arrested? Yes, he was.
Ted and Mike are loyal and they were there for them.

LeGarrette Blount was undrafted, all due to the fact that he was a loose cannon, and he showed that. That is why the Packers looked the other way from him on draft day, and after the draft.

You see the difference there?

Ted has a great track record of avoiding the Pac Man and other criminals that are part of the NFL. He's the best actually. But he's not perfect as nobody is.

But he's not gonna bring in a known-knucklehead like a Blount or Pac Man or Aqib Talib, etc.

Off topic, anyone? How did a thread about signing Ryan Grant turn into a discussion about the Philbin family? Start a new thread if you want to talk about that.

Personally, I never had any faith in Ryan Grant so I'm not too excited about this re-signing. But apparently TT thought he was the best FA out there.

Because some people have a nerve hit too easily apparently.....
Also, yeah nobody is claiming Grant is Trent Richardson or Doug Martin.
But we've lost Benson, Saine, now Starks..... the pickings are slim, and Grant was as good -last year- as these RB's this year have done.
And he knows the offense.

The players on the team know more than any of us do. And they gave him a standing-O when he showed up.
That should say a lot.

Irrelevant. BTW, Jolly isn't a thug. He developed an addiction to a prescription. He didn't beat a woman.

So you're saying loyalty to a woman beater is admirable but signing a guy who has gotten into some scuffles on the practice field is not.

FALSE. If that was the case he would have cut Walden outright.

But it's okay to keep guys who beat their girlfriends/wives. Nice.

What a load of crap! Did you not see the way the 1-10 Chiefs rallied to win 5 days ago? Those guys were in FAR greater disarray and were way closer to the murdering dirtbag Belcher than ANY player on the Packers was to Michael Philbin. You're using Philbin as a scapegoat and you'd much rather continually besmirch his name than accept the fact that the Packers simply GOT BEAT BY THE CHAMPS. You act like the Packers were just SO emotionally distraught that they couldn't function when the fact is that 90% of the team probably had never even met the kid. Get real and let the kid RIP instead of pissing on his grave yet again.

In the immortal words of the great Vince Lombardi, "What in the hell is going on over here?"

Seriously, how in the bloody hell did the conversation go from re-signing Ryan Grant to whacking someone's kids?

Cuz GreenBlood thinks the kid's spirit or his family is reading our forums here. Had to argue with thinking like that. So like a few people have mentioned, let's leave it alone and get back to #25.

Back to the topic: Wore my Ryan Grant jersey today picking the kids up after school.
Good to see Ryno back....... his contract gets cut in half if he ends up on IR..... Packers are tired of their guys ending up on IR apparently.....

No, it's because you are STILL trying to find any reason you can to spew vitriol at Joe Philbin's decease son because you have this ridiculous notion that he's the reason the Packers lost to the damn Giants. It's a B.S. excuse to absolve the team of any responsibility for their own piss-poor performance against the team that ended up winning the Super Bowl.

That game had NOTHING to do with this topic, but you just couldn't resist expressing your hatred toward Joe Philbin's son yet again nearly a year later. This is now the third or fourth time you've done this and it shows you lack a basic sense of decency. I think the consensus on here is that it's time for you to knock this crap off and let the kid RIP.

It's about common decency, which you seem to lack.

Am I bothering him here?
Is Joe avoiding our fine forum here because I still blame the kid for A) breaking his parents hearts-forever, as well as other family members' hearts, and B) throwing the Packers out of whack?

I talked with many of the Packer beat-writers and they all admitted that that week leading up to the funeral, HAD SOME AFFECT on the players. Most of them at least.

If you want to dispute that, that's fine, you already have.
If you believe the ghost of the kid is still here reading this forum and I am hurting his feelings for blaming him for what he did, then you're onto a bigger story.

Look, I have much sympathy for people, and I cry sometimes when I hear about kids snatched and killed, or an innocent person or whole family is wiped out by a drunk punk driver.

But when people, 20-somethings included, act badly, I have less sympathy for them, than I do for the innocent, law-abiding citizens.

Now lookie here in Dallas. Again, here's another one that was no act of God, but instead a stupid, loser, selfish, ignorant, naive, weak-minded person who's actions now caused someone's life to end.
While I shed tears for the innocent sometimes, even though I don't know them, I rarely have much pity for the people who think they are above the law, abuse drugs & alcohol, and suffer the consequences of their bad actions.

I didn't have much sympathy for people like Amy Winehouse, Whitney Houston, Jimi Hendrix, River Phoenix, John Belushi, etc. as I do the regular folks who don't decide to marry drugs & alcohol, and if that means I am cold-hearted, mean-spirited, in your opinion, then I'll accept that label from you & whoever else here.

At the same time,I shed tears for innocent people, kids, who's lives are taken by idiots like this guy below. Like Rae Carruth's wife, like Tim Belcher's wife last week, etc.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/46620/cowboys-tragedy-was-sadly-avoidable
Cowboys' tragedy was, sadly, avoidable

For the second Saturday in a row, a terrible and avoidable real-life tragedy has shaken up the insular fantasy world that is the NFL. Dallas Cowboys nose tackle Josh Brent has been jailed on charges of intoxication manslaughter and teammate Jerry Brown is dead as a result of a one-car accident that happened early Saturday morning in Irving, Texas. Tim MacMahon has the sad details as they continue to come in:

Brent, a three-year veteran, was booked in the Irving, Texas city jail at 4:14 a.m. Saturday morning.

Brown was signed to the Cowboys' practice squad earlier this season. He was also Brent's college teammate at Illinois.

"We are deeply saddened by the news of this accident and the passing of Jerry Brown," Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said in a statement. "At this time, our hearts and prayers and deepest sympathies are with the members of Jerry's family and all of those who knew him and loved him."

The Cowboys are flying to Cincinnati for Sunday's game against the Bengals and had no comment on the accident, other than to say Brent did not make the team's charter. The players were told on the plane just before takeoff of what happened after non-team personnel were asked to go outside.

In June 2009, Brent was sentenced to two years probation and 60 days in jail as part of a plea agreement stemming from a drunken driving arrest in Champaign County, Illinois.

Just awful, and the kind of thing that obviously makes football seem irrelevant. Nose tackle Rob Callaway was promoted from the practice squad and is likely to play Sunday, since starter Jay Ratliff is injured and Brent is not with the team. But the real issue here deals with the life of Jerry Brown, which is incomprehensibly over at the age of 25, and the life of Brent, 24, which will never be the same after he apparently made one of the stupidest mistakes an adult human can make -- and made it for at least the second time.

Brent already did time while in college on drunken driving charges, which means the significance of the crime theoretically should have been impressed upon him. Drunk driving is as selfish, avoidable and inexcusable a crime as there is -- especially for high-profile professional athletes, who have myriad other options available to them by the time they decide to go home after having too much to drink. Every single player in the NFL has a "safe rides" program available to him courtesy of the NFL Players Association. Many teams also offer "safe rides" programs, which provide players with a phone number they can call for a ride at any time, anywhere in the United States. And if for some reason a player doesn't want to reach out for help from such a program, they certainly can always call a cab.

Good post Frank!!!

Did you happen to catch the garbage that spewed out of keshaun johnsons mouth about this incident? That idiot said " players like them cant really afford to have a ride service" BULLSH!T !!!!! Evan what practice squad guys get paid and league minimums can afford that...stop living beyond your means you materialistic fools. I make 50k per year and I could afford a limo for a night out if I wanted to. Pure stupidity IMO. I only feel bad for the families, not the fool behind the wheel or the other fool who decided to get into a car with a drunk driver. Both idiots IMO.

Ahhh I missed you guys and your little fights!

So cute!!!!!!