Rothlesberger Chokes

I'm tend to think Roethlisberger was pointing out the Defense. I'd find it hard to believe the Steelers receivers didn't know their routes.

All during Superbowl week I heard every day about how #7 was now in Brady's class and that 3rd ring would cement his hall of fame cred's! So spare me the tripe about whining!!! BTW I have seen 7 of the 13 Pack World Championships so no in answer to your question I can remember!!
BTW I remember when the Steelers were the sadsacks of football!
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Gee, when I saw the title of this thread I thought it was talking about how Big Bun treats women. :tomato:

And what happened in his Super Bowl performances?

Without the refs, the Seahawks would have beat them 21-14. Calling back 2 Touchdowns, and all the bullshit penalties screwed Seattle.

The Cardinals were a damn lucky team a few years back. As great as the Steelers were supposed to be, they should not have let a 9-7 team play them so well that it comes down to the final possession and the last drive.

In both of Riethlisberher's Super Bowl's he was out played by both Quarterbacks. it's no question that Hasselbeck beat him on stats by a a huge margin, but Kurt Warner also played a better game than him, with less of a team built around him.

Roethlisburgerandfries, an elite QB???
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!...breath...HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

I think he is elite, while he didnt drive to win the SB (dont fault him it was against the best defense he ever saw ) I have watched him countless times have game winning drives and feel he is a top 8 QB in the league. I think he is borderline HOF even though he is a tool as a person.

I think Roethlisberger is a very good QB but I agree with the point he’s had the benefit of a great D and good running game for his entire career. That’s an advantage a lot of QBs don’t enjoy, but you have to credit him for taking advantage of his opportunities. From what I’ve read, my impression is what keeps him from being an elite QB is his study habits. I read a couple of stories that said he’s not the “first to arrive, last to leave” kind of guy. Before the game I read a couple of comments that he isn’t good at making in-game adjustments. The Steelers fans would be more informed about this than I am though.

Contrast that to Rodgers who obsesses about preparation and is so into the game mentally his perfectionist head coach/offensive coordinator turned the game over to him. Unlike most QBs in the league -and one (hopefully) former QB in particular leaps to mind - in the biggest game of their lives to date, McCarthy told Rodgers it was his responsibility to rein in the play caller – McCarthy was going to stay aggressive because he trusted Rodgers so much.

roth is good except when hes thinking about who his next **** victim will be...

News item: Right after the Super Bowl every young single lady in every bar which was within a 45 mile radius of Dallas stadium immediately went home, locked her doors, put her guard dog near the front door and locked and loaded whatever firearm she had handy.
"None of us can be too cautious of Ben." said one.

I feel as though Ben has always had a really good team to work with since he started. I mean what holes did they really have? Guy had great tools to work with from the get go.

Was it the second or third down that Wallace raising his hands like "What's the call, Where do I go"?

I know on the fourth down after they broke the huddle he was like still jawing at Roth, like saying what was the play again?

I keep watching the Super Bowl and it never gets old. I think they were having trouble hearing each other at that point in the game. The Packers were on the sidelines whipping up the fans and the Steelers were in a rush to get things going. So between the hurry up and the noise, I think guys were missing their assignments.

However, my Brother is a die hard Steelers fan and he doesn't care for Roethlisberger one bit. When he overthrew a couple of receivers and put the ball where there was no receiver, my brother said; "A real Quarterback would have made that play. Aaron Rodgers would have made that play." He hasn't been happy for a couple of years with the love fest over Big Bun.

LOLOLOLOL at all of you saying that Ben isn't elite and he's just a product of the "system." In case you all forgot, there are 18/19 games leading up the the superbowl that I suppose you haven't accounted for. He hasn't produced well in superbowls, BIG DEAL. Without him, the Steelers wouldn't have gotten to any of those superbowls. Here's a reminder for those of you that don't watch every Steeler game:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjkPEy2W7L0&feature=related]YouTube - Ben Roethlisberger - My Hero[/ame]

PS. Also LOL at everyone who said any quarterback would thrive with the Steelers. Just take a look at our offensive line the past 3 years and then come back and tell me that Peyton Manning or Tom Brady would do well with the Steelers running around in the backfield for 75% of the snaps.

PSS. It's Roethlisberger****

Well he's not thattt bad to be called overrated. I mean he's a winner, you can't disqualify the facts. He extends plays and is a leader. He's a pretty good player....on and off the field hehe. He won't make the hall or anything but he's a decent QB.

That being said I hope Aaron Rodgers has a decade of productive MVP caliber seasons and leading the Pack to consistent NFC North Titles, NFC Championships and few more Super Bowls and basically he's in the hall. . Great player he is. We're lucky to have him

And yet, somehow, the Steelers won three of their first four games without him. Yep, he's the one that does it. You can take Ben out of the equation and they still win. Take Polamalu out of the equation and they have a hard time winning. Notice anything?

The passing game wasn't exactly essential in those first 3 games and it would become essential later on in the year with our bust of an offensive line.

The "Ben is so clutch" myth was certainly blown out of proportion, much as the Matty Ice BS.

But the guys is a top 10 QB, no doubt. Take a look at his passer rating all his years. One of the best in the league. Was he essencial to their SB wins? The first, no. The second, they don't win without him. Now, of course, he doesn't even come close to winning without that ridiculously good D, but, without Roethlisberger, they don't win in 08.

None of you Packer backers would say **** after the 09 game now would you. 1 game dont make you elite guys. Rodgers is amazing and Im a HUGE fan, but do it time and time again and we will see. The O line was the cause of the pick 6 in the superbowl, Bush broke nicely on the other . Ben is an ELITE QB and will show it year after year.

In 2009 Sports Illustrated ran a poll of NFL players to find out who they thought were the overrated players in their league. Roethlisberger came in at number 5.

On the other side; Bill Polian of the Colts thinks Roethlisberger is on par with Peyton Manning, or Brady.

It doesn't take long for one to do a search and find all kinds of conflicting opinion on whether he is over-rated or not. Many say he is supported by the Steelers stout defense. Others say he puts up good numbers, therefore Steeler nation shouldn't complain.

So what obviously comes to mind is the simple question; "If he were truly an elite Quarterback, would there be any doubt?"

I think the questions are there about whether or not he's elite mainly because his game is so different than the "elite" quarterbacks in the league. The question behind the question, then, is "Can we call a quarterback who doesn't have a Brady or Manning skillset elite?"

Sometimes when I taste a new food it takes me a while to decide if I like it. Often, I'll taste it and have a thought process of "This is really different. I think I might like it, but it's so different from most of the other foods that I like."

I think the discussion about Ben is that type of question.

You know, that is a very good point. Well stated. Perhaps that's why I've always had my reservations about him.

That's pretty much how it is. People think that just because he doesn't pass for over 4000 yards a season that he's not as good as the likes of Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. Are stats really any indication of how much of an effect a player has in a single game? In my opinion, not really.

Ben is good enough to win SB with at the QB position and in the end that is all that matters. Although it would be nice for Steelers fans if he is mentioned in the same breath as Manning, Brady, I'm sure they are satisfied with the 2 SBs he's brought home to them during his tenure.

Roethisberger as Elite imo.

We compare with statistics, and what happened in the Super Bowl proved he is NOT elite.

Roethlisberger won his first Super Bowl with help of the refs. Even John Madden was saying how screwed up that game was. Look at his stats in that game. He had a terrible rating, and even in the Super Bowl against Arizona, once again he was out played by a Kurt Warner in the twilight of his career.

Could Ben win games with average receivers? I doubt it...Just like in the Super Bowl, forcing the ball in double coverage don't always work. It quit working for Favre, and it didn't work for Manning in last year's Super Bowl.

The Steelers won 3 out of 4 games without him. So can they win without his screw ups? Yep. Take away Troy Polamalu or Mendenhall and they have a tough time.