Rodgers vs Favre do it here

That rant was freaking amazing. I almost feel like posting it whenever a Favre apologist starts going off on these boards, because I simply can't say it better than that.

You just got to be a moron to say that throwing high keeps ints low. No, all of his throws, specially the short-ranged ones, aren't picture perfect. But 98% of his balls are catchable.

Analysing Rodgers' game, you find 2 key flaws, flaws which heh as improved, compared to his first year:
1) He holds onto the ball too much. It's not a FLAW per se, as holding the ball allows the plays to develop, but when you have a piss-poor OL, it is.
2) He struggles to find the checkdown receiver. He just doesn't utilize the RB or FB very much, which, again, when you have a piss-poor OL, is imperative.

The first season, you could've mentioned the 2 and 4 minute offense. But it has been corrected this last season.

Saying he's not a winner is completely BS. It's agenda, actually. He had the best QB rating in 3rd downs last year (133.5) (Aaron Rodgers - Green Bay Packers - Situational Statistics - NFL - Yahoo! Sports), so he keeps the chains going, and he had an absurd ammount of TDs, either by hand or foot(35), which means he scores a lot of points also.

One problem that cannot be pinned to him, but rather to the whole team, is the god-awful slow start and the redzone efficiency. But when you have astruggling OL and the #2 unit in drops, it hurts you...

Tests don't always show how smart a person is. As a former teacher, I know how children--or adults for that matter--react to testing. Myself included

What side are you on? Favre or Packers?

I'm totally on the Packer's/Ted's Side on the move to move forward with Aaron Rodgers & LOOK at what Aaron has done so far? I was actually Mad at first when TT sort of "forced his hand" (REPORTEDLY) but when he wanted to come back and **** up all the progression with Aaron being the new starter, THAT BOTHERED ME. When Favre went to the JETS, that didn't really bother me, as soon as he went the Vikings and he dawned that purple helmet in TRAINING CAMP after Childress drove him from the plane to practice, that's when I truly despised FAVRE...Screw Brett Favre I hope he retires as a Viking!

lets beat the dead horse

I'm on Brett's side. Ted wanted him gone from the day he got to GB. There are so many examples to show my point that it's pathetic. I can't in good faith root against the Packers a team I've rooted for lived and died with since '81. I also can't root for a team with a traitor at the helm. Once Benedict Arnold is no longer the GM I'll be rooting with my whole heart for the Packers.

Am I saying Brett handled things perfectly? No. But I also believe his mistakes were forced by Ted. Remember (As some will point out here) that Brett wanted to go to Minnesota PRIOR to the Jets trade...which I think was Brett wanted to hand Teddy his tail back then based on disrespect shown to Brett by Teddy and possibly/probably Mikey.

A great Fantasy Football quarterback does not make a great quarterback. BOTH Oakland games, The Seattle playoff game in '07, the Denver game in OT in '07, the Bears game in '95, the Eagles game in I wanna say '92 (The one that impressed Reggie), The TD on the play right after Doug Pederson broke his neck...they all make a great quarterback. Here we are in Aaron's what 6th year...still waiting for greatness...Brett's 6th year was the championship year.

The AR fan club is really under the gun this year isn't it? I predict though in 2 years he'll be out of GB if not the league, and the kid from Texas Tech will be the starter.

Just my opinion.

No offense, but this forum has plenty of "Brett Favre Vs. The World" threads. Just use the search function- You'll find plenty of posts featuring everyone's take on America's favorite douche.

Why do favre fans hate Aaron so much?

jealousy?

uh oh......

I am with Brett, and if your not you seriously need to check yourself. Brett IMO is the ultimate competitor not only does he compete at an high level constantly but for his age and his consistency (IRON MAN) it is simply a slap in the face to be asked to step down. It was definitely time for Rodgers to begin his dynasty but the packers should of been a friend first and a business second. They could of handled the situation better and given Brett what he wanted, show some class and respect. Although Brett can be blamed, the whole diva thing is not some self righteous act (HE needs to see how his body feels when training camp comes around and for him to commit it takes more than just a yes) hes is the IRON man and he wouldn't do anything half-assed). The packers definitely turned their backs on Brett and for the FANS WHO BOOED HIM UPON RETURN IT SERIOUSLY MAKES ME DOUBT MANY CHEESE HEADS OUT THERE. Very hard to see a guy poor his soul out for GB and then kicked to curve..... LONG LIVE IRON MAN!!!!!!



BTW WHO EVER POSTED ARODG WILL BE OUT OF LEAGUE OR NOT A STARTER YOUR DUMB... Sure he hasn't had a clutch moment in relation to greatness, but the key thing in being great is to be consistent. Rodgers is consistent his stats speak for that. Superb mechanics . He has the total package. Only needs to work on reads. IF you cant see that he is a top 3 quarterback and will continue on to greatness. Then your letting the hate cloud your judgment... Seriously out of league in 2 years????? WTF

Why we are still debating this I do not understand.

Fact: Brett Favre retired - the Packers did not kick him to the curb.

Once Favre retired, the reins were passed to Rodgers (at that time a very capable backup) and the Packers conducted their draft with Favre out of the picture. Then, Favre positions himself as the victim - pitiful.

The Packers did the right thing. BTW ... Mike Holmgren just went through the same thing in Seattle - except he handled it with grace and class. He had second thoughts after the Hawks had passed the reins to Jim Mora. Instead of sticking it to the Seahawks, he kept his mouth shut and then hooked on with Cleveland.

The only thing I regret is that the Packers didn't get a #1 pick from Minnesota for him. I thoroughly enjoyed his usual screw up against the Saints last year. Vintage Favre.

Obviously you cant read between the lines... He was forced to retire and a trade seemed very unlikely... So he did what he had to do to get onto the field. You cant force a guy like Brett to quit. When its his time his body will let him know before his mind.

TT and packers forcing him to commit before season comes around is right. But to bring it to the public attention was a party foul on packers. Samething with marshall and mcdaniels, keep it out the media. I love TT but i still think his methods can be improved. Building a team within is very good for everyone but its not always an option if that intrinsic motivation or talent isnt there.

I apologize for beating the dead horse, it just baffles me when I meet fans of Favre (which is fine) that root for Favre as a Viking (ever more so) against the Packers. That baffles me! My mother's boyfriend, hardcore Favre fan. He wants to see Favre own every record possible. He roots for the Vikings when the Packers play them just b/c of Favre. I don't get that, because he is a "diehard" Packer Fan

lets just turn the page

You need to read between the lines your reading between. Why did the Packers not want Brett back. Because he is Big headed and thinks he is bigger than the game. He has always been a hand full for the coaches to deal with (Drinking/Pain pills excreta). He became even more of a whiny baby in the last few years with the team and they were sick of dealing with his crap. He does not think of what is best for the team, just himself, and he has continued to do so for the Jets and his beloved Vikings. He disregarded the team and the fans and did everything he could to get on our rivals the Vikings. The guy is a complete douche.

You've got to be kidding.....

Sorry but your thread title says it all. Why is it that Packer fans have to chose between the two? That to me is one of the main problems in this ongoing love-hate relationship with Favre. The facts are simple. He retired, before he wanted to. He wanted to come back, the Packers had moved on. Not a problem. The Packers didn't want him in the NFC, and the NFC North in particular. So they traded him. He retired again, again to soon. Now I don't know if the second one was to get his release or not. Although many Packer fans claim it as fact. If they know what was going on in Brett's head then they should know what he is thinking now. Some even claim the whole retire-comeback in the first place was to get to MN. Sorry, I don't think Brett thinks that far ahead. As you get older your body does not heal as fast. And you have a tendency to look at thinks differently with you health. That's why after his year with the Jets he said he was going to retire again. Being sore, having to have surgery, it just didn't look so good to go back. Had the Vikings said to Brett, "We need to know by June 1st", I doubt he would have come back.

Now, both Favre and the Packers made mistakes along the way. I think Ted wanted Brett gone after he drafted Rodgers, and I think Brett and Ted never got along. So be it. I think the Packers made a mistake by not trading him to MN the first time. Just think of it, they trade Brett to MN, it would not have hurt them that much in 2008, (6-10 or 5-11 at that point it is about were you pick in the draft) they would have one of MN top Draft picks in 2009(Percy Harvin?), and by now he may have had enough after two years in MN, and be retired for good. (well, maybe)

People look at this as a "you have to chose sides" thing. I don't think you do. People want Brett to be loyal to the Packers yet those people don't have a problem with the Packers not being loyal to Brett by trading him. Sorry, loyalty has to work both ways. The one thing you have to remember is that this is a business. And in business people move to other teams. And if you want to talk about loyalty, just look at how many players on the Packers "Ring of Honor" finished their career on teams other that the Packers.

But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong. And I know many here are about to blast me but remember this, no one here knows what goes on inside Brett's thick skull. And is he really that smart to plan this whole thing out? Or is he just being Brett an winging it? I say he's winging it.

Which side I am? Packers' or Vikings'? Is this a question???

Just my opinion...Move to Minnesota and be a Vikings fan and get out of our hair. No one hear wants to read crap like this, especially from a so called "Real Packer Backer."

Is there a way to nominate this post? Funniest I've ever seen.

Are you on meth? That's not an opinion. Saying the Earth is square isn't an opinion...

Wow. You people actually fear that Rodgers may be better than Favre was... I thought Favre fans just didn't like the guy because he replaced Favre, but you actually fear the guy, don't you?

To any former Packer fan who roots for Favre and the Vikings now: I have NO, none, zero, negative respect for you and do not consider you a real Packer fan, period. People like that, actually, fit RIGHT ON that Viking bandwagon.

I lived in Minnesota from before Favre was out of grammar school until 2005. Half of my wedding party were Vikings fans, including my best man. He's not a die-hard Viking fan though. Two of my best friends are die-hards, right there with me as a Packer fan where we bleed our team's colors.

Nobody forced farking Farve to retire, you farking fool.
Our team, our coaches, our GM was expecting him back and wanted him back because we knew how close we were to another Super Bowl as status quo. As you remember, we were one stupid patented Favre-interception away. When he retired, it stunned McCarthy and Thompson.

Farve does hate Thompson, and Thompson did do quite a few things to make Farve feel that way, which I give Farve. I understand that. I don't like Ted because of those things.

But Farve CHOSE to quit when he did. He DEMANDED that super spotlight on his retirement. Contrast his "ceremony" to that of the classy Kurt Warner, and you should be ashamed if you are a Brett-first fan.

I hate the Vikings as Ohio State and Michigan hate each other. As the Yankees and the Red Sox hate each other. As the Sooners and the Longhorns hate each other.

When Farve threw yet another Super Bowl away in New Orleans with his patented-stupid late Int, it felt to me like I just made it to the Super Bowl because for that game, I was a die-hard Saints fan.

If Farve could not make it to the Super Bowl that day, with that team, and he couldn't in 2008 with us a 7-point favorite at home vs the Giants, he never will. We should have all learned that in Philly in the 2003 season. Most of us did.