Rodgers vs Favre do it here

how`s that humble pie tasting ???

I agree with your final sentence exclusively and without exception. I don't like or dislike Favre. He WILL be honored, you are right, but we differ on "how". I can't imagine that the Packers could 'retire' his number after all is said and done. By retire, I'm saying putting it up in the north endzone with the likes of Hutson, White, Nitschke, Starr and Canadeo...or even just a name in the northeast corner like "Ron Wolf". Brett will be inducted into the Packers Hall, the NFL Hall and his name and number will appear on "the Ring" along with other 22 Packer NFL HOF inductees...they might do a ceremonious "retiring of the jersey"...but, I can't see #4 being in the North endzone with those other 5 Packer greats. Just don't think it'll happen...and I don't even carry a grudge against him. I really don't.

First of all, let me start by saying I'm a Favre guy. Un-apologetically so! Thing is though, I recognize talent despite personality issues that a player may or may not have, or whether or not the GM loves them or not, and Aaron has a HELL of a lot of talent. With that said here are my thoughts:

Let's be honest, Rodgers isn't Favre and may never BE Favre.

3 Time NFL MVP, and in consecutive years? I'd like to be wrong, but I don't think I am when I say Aaron won't do that.

Favre leads the league all time in yardage, wins, attempts, completions and TDs, not to mention the only packer record he doesn't have (to my knowledge) is Dickey's single season yardage record. Aaron may catch Favre on TDs, wins and completions, and will probably have the Packers single season yardage record.

Favre is 1-1 in the Superbowl through 7th year in the league: The caviat here is through 7th year in the league. Aaron will probably make another Superbowl, but Favre made his 2nd quicker.

Despite the shortcomings Favre has had several come from behind victories, or victories he pulled out on the final drive of the game. With Aaron I think it can be said here as well that he doesn't match up to Favre. In the Superbowl year especially we lost 3 win-able games, and Pittsburgh was put into a position to win the Superbowl as well.

As I said, Aaron doesn't and probably won't stack up to Brett in a lot of areas, but it's fun watching him do what he does, and maybe eventually take some of Brett's records.

Favre also had several games where he COST us a game with a stupid attempt at a pass when even I, who knows feck all about football KNEW he shouldn`t have tried. Obviously Favre is your man and I respect you for it, but your arguement is somewhat biased.

Agree with you 100%

I personally don't see a 4th Qtr comeback as a positive stat....if you are that damn good, you should be leading going into the 4th Qtr and be able maintain the lead with defense and a slower paced offense to kill the clock. Having to play catch up and surpass is not a good thing. Favre was just plain out lucky sometimes....he tossed a TON of picks and also made some HUGE throws when needed. He was a gun slinger / wild man. It was his way on the field, the coaches couldn't tame him. Yes, I know what he did for the packers, and the new era he helped usher in. I just have a hard time forgiving the utter BS drama that the team had to absorb at the end of his GB career. He is and always will be a drama queen. For those that don't see any or many of Favres records falling, you are dreaming....Arod has not played nearly as many years as Favre and got a LOT later of a start, but I think he will post up some steller career numbers....some good enough to surpass ol Favre in a few categories. I think if we can keep him better protected, Arod will play another 8-9 years for us.

I'll answer you both on this:

YES I totally agree my argument is somewhat biased. Packer-biased! I always want the team improving and winning. A loss is not to be celebrated, or a time to tell the players "you did your best" because that's what makes lazy players, and lazy players make the 80's happen, which I saw and which I refuse to go back to.

As far as 4th quarter comebacks, you're right in your first half of your statement about maintaining a lead. But if you have a crap defense which Green Bay has had since '09 (Yes they won the Superbowl in '10 but the Defense STILL stunk) you need to be able to pull the game out of the fire, or ice it in the case of the Superbowl. Aaron has troubles in this area. It's his one and only flaw. It's something he will continue to improve on, but he may also struggle with this his whole career.

As far as Brett at the end of his career; I have a really bad feeling we don't know even half of what was going on behind the scenes. I have certain beliefs on this topic, that I can somewhat support, but I won't go into them here, but if I'm wrong, then you are definitely correct about him being a Drama Queen and all. IF I am right though I believe Ted Mike Mark, and possibly even Aaron are gonna have a riot on their hands. That is if the truth ever comes out!

Arod will play another 8-9 years for us? Aaron wants to, will he be allowed to with the Packers?

Why will Aaron Rodgers have a riot on his hands ?? I`m gonna show respect to ANY Packer fan on here, we all follow the same team okay ?, but Favres antics "shall I OR shan`t I retire" was a case of him needing his ego stroked. I FIRMLY believe he had one interest, and one interest alone, himself. He didn`t give a crap about the team, his team mates, the organisation, and especially the fans. If he was so sure of his ability as No. 1, why didn`t he show he believed he was the man to lead the team and prove it on the practice field ?
I will concede the point that he went to Minnesota and stuffed it to us twice in a season, hell, he even ruined my honeymoon in Vegas, but as far as I am concerned Mr Favre will always be a bum. I read how he WON us the Superbowl when there was a WHOLE squad of players that day, but IF Favre fans want to use that arguement, he also LOST us one the following year.
As I said before, I respect your view, but I think you are wrong on this one

Brett Favre is the greatest QB, possibly the greatest player in the history of the NFL, given his entire body of work. However, Aaron Rodgers is currently playing the position better than Favre, Marino, Montana, Elway, Namath, Brady, or anybody else ever played QB. The only thing greater than the way Aaron Rodgers plays is the way he COULD play if he had an O Line good enough to give him time and to allow the running game to produce better.

That was to wide of a category, greatest ever? Hardly. Great, yes indeed.....far from greatest ever. You forget he does hold negative records as well.

If I'm wrong, then Brett is everything most Packer fans think he is, and I'll admit to being wrong, AND that you all are right about him. What if I'm right though? Or what if what I believe happened to Favre happens to Aaron? You'd either A.) be hypocritical by agreeing with Aaron and not Favre or B.) Be hypocritical now by standing up for Aaron.

I`ll take that risk sir, and if they did to Aaron Rodgers what you alledge they did to Farve, I would have tattoo removed and give up following American football full stop. I do however admire your loyalty to Mr Favre. I would however repeat if he thought he deserved the position, why didn`t he show them at training camp ?? My real beef with the guy was the underhanded dealings that went with his move to Minnesota. Sorry but that was just disgusting. I`d be very interested to hear what it is you think you know about the whole thing with Favre is however, or is it YOUR take on the incident ?
No offence intended, just a question.
Best wishes to you

Favre lingers around the 10th to 12th best QB of all time. I see no argument to support him being the greatest of all time.

Rodgers has the single season passing record for the packers. In 15 games. Also has the single season TD record. Kind of a hard season to ignore, even for a favre fan.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/119635674.html

So far in his career Rodgers blows Favre out of the water in stats.

He WANTED to show Ted and Mike he could do it. When they told him essentially 'It's Aaron's job' that's when he decided he wanted to go to Minnesota, WHICH I think was one of his few dick moves, but I understood it. You wanna cram it on the people who don't believe in you anymore. I understand that logic, and I don't think either A.) that he meant it to hurt the fans and B.) I don't think he understood how the fans would take it.

We`ll have to agree to disagree on those two points then bud I can even understand his hurt feelings and wanting to stick it to us, but honestly ? do you admire all of his "Will I retire, wont I retire ?" crap ??? Hell even the T.V. pundits got sick of it. He ended up looking like a complete dick in the end. No pun intended....lol

IF he wasnt so "im gunna retire", "no im gunna stay", back and forth, back and forth...blah blah blah....Ted would have given him another shot. But as a GM and the coaches, you can't have that type of indecision and expect to build around it. Favre thought he was the packers, not just a packer. The managment knew what they had in Arod, and Favre was pissing in everyones soup, so after his final round of should I stay or should I go, they made an executive choice and it WAS THE RIGHT ONE. Favre was on a steady decline and Arod was un-used potential just collecting dust on the bench. The drama Favre caused in the locker room, with upper management, the press, and the fans......all says it was time for him to pack his sh!t and take the dirt road. I liked the guy as the Jets QB, but wanted to sniper shoot that traitor when he dressed out in purple. He is and always will be a two faced drama queen self centered a$$clown jerk-off. end rant.

Wasn't the "will he/won't he" media hype? I never heard Brett state either way and or waffle until the spring and summer of '07.

It is hard to say that Aaron Rodgers is a better QB than Brett Favre, considering Favre's career. However, what is legitimate to state is that Aaron Rodgers for the past 2-3 seasons has played better football than Brett Favre ever has and if he continues to play like this, he will be considered a better QB than Brett Favre.

Regardless of Brett Favre's accomplishments as a QB, I don't think anyone would be able to fault you all for having angst toward him. The guy did act as if he were bigger than Green Bay Packers when in all reality, he should have been proud and recognized how blessed he was to play for such a great organization. I think that one day Brett Favre will realize what he took for granted and hopefully he and the fans in Green Bay can find common ground and make some peace.