Receivers coach likes Driver — maybe better than Walker

[DePack]

Re: Receivers coach likes Driver — maybe better than Walke

I don't think TO destroyed anything.......A player can't destroy a whole team.

I do wonder why Denver would pay Wlker the money he is worth and we won't, but TT knows what he is doing.......I hope

I do think that people need to calm down a little bit about our draft. A lot of people around here are talking like we had the best draft in the history of the draft. I'm sure every team feels the same way guys. I see only one difference maker out of the group but hopefully I'm wrong

Logical....well thought out....fair.....Are you lost son?

 

[SuperRat]

Look at it this way, has TO made any team he has gone to actually better thus far? Did he make the Ravens better? No he refused to go there when traded. Did he make the Eagles better? No they did the exact same the year before except they got past the NFC Championship his first year there, and that wasn't due to him because he was hurt. Then the next year he most definitely didn't make them better. Whose to say he will actually make the Cowboys better, or any team that could of gotten him?

 

[paxvogel]

Really like your pictures Tromadz, our linebacker corp is going to be incredible.
My concern about our receiving corp is we have too many guys with the same skills and no real deep threat. I was disappointed we traded out of getting Chad Jackson the WR in round two. He would give us the deep threat we need. Unlikely to find a quality deep threat after June 1, teams keep them. Blackmon will be a CB in my opinion, will only be a WR in emergency situation.

 

[SuperRat]

McCarthy has said that the team is going to a more pure west coast offense. That means he isn't looking for a deep threat over the top receiver. He is looking for good route runners that can catch the ball and get yards on the ground. That is exactly why he took Jennings, known for being a good route runner with a yards after catch average of around 15 yards, over Jackson, who's weakness is route running, with a yards after catch average of around 10 yards.

 

[digsthepack]

Signing Chad Jackson as WR in a true WCO is on par with signing Bubba Franks to be a field stretching TE.

Talented, yes, but the wrong talents for what the will be asked to do on Sunday.

There is a reason Jackson was available at 35.

 

[GakkofNorway]

Alright, some of you guys hasn't got it yet.

The system the Packers are going to run next season is a cultivated west coast offense. This more or less means a horizontal passing game.

Let's see what kind of traits a system like this needs:

- Precise routerunning
- Physicality
- Blocking abillity

Green Bay has a slow turf and harsh weather conditions, when the tundra freezes speed is basicly neutralized and the more physical and strong WRs thrive in these conditions.

Chad Jacksons strenghts are downfield threat, body control and speed. Perfect for an indoor fast track vertical passing game, which we don't have. He isn't very good at running routes, and this would cause interceptions in our west coast offense passing scheme.

Greg Jennings is almost as fast as Jackson, but in addition he runs razorsharp routes, he is a good blocker and pretty physical even though he is not exceptionally big.

Like some guy said, Sherman got obsessed with bringing speed to Green Bay without thinking about the conditions we have at Lambeau, where speed isn't that important. This caused us to start winning dome games, but losing outdoor and home games...

 

[krd005]

so what you are saying is that if I am fast on good turf I automaticially become slower in bad conditions........for fun I'll say I agree.


Then

if I am slower than most on a fast track, don't I become slower on a messy track as well????

So........

If you are fast to start with don'y you keep the advantage????

 

[krd005]

Answer....... YES YOU DO

As my college coach used to say.........

YOU CAN'T TEACH SPEED

 

[GakkofNorway]

so what you are saying is that if I am fast on good turf I automaticially become slower in bad conditions........for fun I'll say I agree.


Then

if I am slower than most on a fast track, don't I become slower on a messy track as well????

So........

If you are fast to start with don'y you keep the advantage????

Read this

Think Sterling Sharpe and and to an extent Antonio Freeman. Sharpe succeeded in Green Bay on a slow track without speed because he was one of the best route runners in the NFL. Sharp cuts and crisp breaks will always get you open on short and intermediate routes. Some of Freeman's best games came in rain games, mud games, and on frozen fields when speed is completely negated and larger WR's thrive. His sure footedness made him faster on a bad field. (Side note: The one play in Packers history that always amazes me is how on a fast track in New Orleans, Freeman got behind and ran away from NE defenders in Super Bowl XXXI for that 80 yard td. NE must have had a really slow secondary.)

 

[longtimefan]

so what you are saying is that if I am fast on good turf I automaticially become slower in bad conditions........for fun I'll say I agree.


Then

if I am slower than most on a fast track, don't I become slower on a messy track as well????

So........

If you are fast to start with don'y you keep the advantage????

I have a example of this...

In playoffs in high school..We had a guy named Floyd Heard on our team..Floyd was back then ( 1985) the FASTEST guy in Wisconsin..Was breaking track records left and right and later on even was ranked #1 in the world in track..He averaged like 9 yards PER CARRY and over 11 yards per catch.

Anyways during this game it had rained all day long and the field was nasty and full of mud...No matter what Floyd could not get his feet going, different cleats and shoes never helped...We ended up losing the game..

I saw Floyd at my high school reunion last year and a bunch of us on the team were talking and Floyd point blank said.."I never been so slow, a bad field takes away the speed that I had"

Say it was high school I do not care, point is still the same..Field conditions do affect how fast a player is..

Jennings has better cutting ablity then Jackson, so that might help him on fields that are slow..

 

[GakkofNorway]

wonderful longtimefan, you got my points

 

[krd005]

but the slow also get slower........don't they

 

[GakkofNorway]

no, they are usually bigger, stronger and more surefooted, which gives them an advantage in hard conditions.

 

[krd005]

no, they are usually bigger, stronger and more surefooted, which gives them an advantage in hard conditions.

so it affects one guy and not the other??????????? But how can this be? Being stronger has nothing to due with speed.

If anything the fast guy on offense gains a bogger advantage in crappy weather. They know where to go and when, while a defender has to go on movement and react

 

[GakkofNorway]

Again, did you read this?

Think Sterling Sharpe and and to an extent Antonio Freeman. Sharpe succeeded in Green Bay on a slow track without speed because he was one of the best route runners in the NFL. Sharp cuts and crisp breaks will always get you open on short and intermediate routes. Some of Freeman's best games came in rain games, mud games, and on frozen fields when speed is completely negated and larger WR's thrive. His sure footedness made him faster on a bad field. (Side note: The one play in Packers history that always amazes me is how on a fast track in New Orleans, Freeman got behind and ran away from NE defenders in Super Bowl XXXI for that 80 yard td. NE must have had a really slow secondary.)

.

 

[krd005]

Look at it this way, has TO made any team he has gone to actually better thus far? Did he make the Ravens better? No he refused to go there when traded. Did he make the Eagles better? No they did the exact same the year before except they got past the NFC Championship his first year there, and that wasn't due to him because he was hurt. Then the next year he most definitely didn't make them better. Whose to say he will actually make the Cowboys better, or any team that could of gotten him?

I believe TO beat us in a playoff game one year at SF. And looking back I would say he made them better

Phili w/o TO would not have made the SB. He was unstoppable before getting hurt. The next year the team had some problems esp at QB(I think he is the most overrated QB in the NFL)

Would you want to play in Balt.?

The Cowbaoys are better with him

Ignore the fact that people don't like him as a person. I don't like him, but if I want to win I want him on my team. One man can't destroy a whole team. IMPOSSIBLE

 

[GakkofNorway]

yet TO did it two times

 

[longtimefan]

Again, did you read this?

Think Sterling Sharpe and and to an extent Antonio Freeman. Sharpe succeeded in Green Bay on a slow track without speed because he was one of the best route runners in the NFL. Sharp cuts and crisp breaks will always get you open on short and intermediate routes. Some of Freeman's best games came in rain games, mud games, and on frozen fields when speed is completely negated and larger WR's thrive. His sure footedness made him faster on a bad field. (Side note: The one play in Packers history that always amazes me is how on a fast track in New Orleans, Freeman got behind and ran away from NE defenders in Super Bowl XXXI for that 80 yard td. NE must have had a really slow secondary.)

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That is why I think they took Jennings and not Jackson...Jennings has better cutting ablity, which in turn will let him get down field faster when being pressed..If it was just a straight out fly and no one pressing at the line Jackson might be the better choice, but as we all know that hardly happens..



I have posted that a few times but seems people have not seen it, or understand it..

 

[krd005]

Again, did you read this?

Think Sterling Sharpe and and to an extent Antonio Freeman. Sharpe succeeded in Green Bay on a slow track without speed because he was one of the best route runners in the NFL. Sharp cuts and crisp breaks will always get you open on short and intermediate routes. Some of Freeman's best games came in rain games, mud games, and on frozen fields when speed is completely negated and larger WR's thrive. His sure footedness made him faster on a bad field. (Side note: The one play in Packers history that always amazes me is how on a fast track in New Orleans, Freeman got behind and ran away from NE defenders in Super Bowl XXXI for that 80 yard td. NE must have had a really slow secondary.)

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Sure I read it.....who wrote it, Vince???? I also think those two were pretty good on good conditions also. So again I say you either have what it takes or you don't to be a stud WO in the NFL

 

[SuperRat]

I wasn't counting San Francisco because it was the team that drafted him and developed him and I was only really thinking of him and his attitude as a superstar receiver, but yes he did make San Francisco better.

Philly without TO won every playoff game that season up till the Super Bowl without him because he was hurt. He was a big part of the team in the regular season but I say they probably would of made the playoffs without him. It is yet to be seen if the Cowboys are better without him. I agree that one man can't completely destroy a whole team, but one man can mess with the chemistry of a team and create major problems, and TO has shown that he can do this.

 

[cheesey]

Re: Receivers coach likes Driver — maybe better than Walke

He CAN be a negative distraction that messes up a team though. You don't think his crap in SF or Philly caused tension in the locker room? Your trying to prepare for a game, and you have "the mouth of the south" yapping away at how great he is, and how everyone else sux..............yes, T.O. has talent, but he's a pain in the butt for sure. New England didn't have any "stars" on the team, but won 3 SB's with a TEAM approach. They watched each other's backs........not STABBED each other in the back.

 

[GakkofNorway]

word cheesemaster.

 

[krd005]

Me myself give me TO and see what happens!

Better to ask forgiveness then to ask for premission!!!

TO is a stud. I don't like him but he is a stud.

TO didn't ruin the teams he was with the team had issues that ruined the team

 

[digsthepack]

And Jennings is an accomplished blocker....something not typically found in ACC and SEC WRs.

 

[DePack]

Me myself give me TO and see what happens!

Better to ask forgiveness then to ask for premission!!!

TO is a stud. I don't like him but he is a stud.

TO didn't ruin the teams he was with the team had issues that ruined the team

krd where you been? I took it long and hard in the can when I suggested we sign T.O. I'm still a little sore :lol: