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were phenomenal athletes who were marginal football players. <-- sums up the Packers pretty nicely
pyledriver80 said:TT has shown he is light years ahead of MS when it comes to drafting young talent. He has definately excelled at this part of his job.
DePack said:True......free agency is the great equalizer. No excuses.....win NOW!!!!!
paxvogel said:Too early to tell but a B-. I like the drafts but should have done more to fix OL with free agency
DePack said:I agree....and I'm HOPING TT accomplishes that, but I'm older than you guys......I lived through the 70's and 80's. Rebuilding doesn't always work out. Just ask the Lions, Cards, Saints etc
pyledriver80 said:All this talk about a SOFT team under Sherman is ridiculous. As DePack said soft or not, we were winning more games than we were losing up until last year. Now I don't so much care that we got rid of Sherman, but at least he gave us some exciting years and playoff appearences.
Sherman certainly wasn't a genius by any means but I personally think TT is making to many careless mistakes. I can't quite figure out for the life of me why a team would try to rebuild the O-line and the Wr's at the same time. It's clearly a lack of forsight on TT's part.
Just keep reading Lare's post over and over again because he points out several things that rightfully should be put on TT's shoulders.......Accountability, not excuses please!
pyledriver80 said:All this talk about a SOFT team under Sherman is ridiculous. As DePack said soft or not, we were winning more games than we were losing up until last year. Now I don't so much care that we got rid of Sherman, but at least he gave us some exciting years and playoff appearences.
Sherman certainly wasn't a genius by any means but I personally think TT is making to many careless mistakes. I can't quite figure out for the life of me why a team would try to rebuild the O-line and the Wr's at the same time. It's clearly a lack of forsight on TT's part.
Just keep reading Lare's post over and over again because he points out several things that rightfully should be put on TT's shoulders.......Accountability, not excuses please!
Anubis said:DePack said:I agree....and I'm HOPING TT accomplishes that, but I'm older than you guys......I lived through the 70's and 80's. Rebuilding doesn't always work out. Just ask the Lions, Cards, Saints etc
True. However, drafting a wideout in the first round three years in a row (a la Detroit) isn't exactly what I call "rebuilding". To have a successful football team, you also need competent management.
In regards to the dark times Packer fans endured in the 70's and 80's, keep in mind that that was before the new CBA, FA, salary cap and revenue sharing. These things have ensured that all teams have a chance at the Super Bowl any given year, and have contributed to making the NFL the premier sports league in the world.
GO PACK!!!
Robert C. Hedley
DePack said:Anubis said:DePack said:I agree....and I'm HOPING TT accomplishes that, but I'm older than you guys......I lived through the 70's and 80's. Rebuilding doesn't always work out. Just ask the Lions, Cards, Saints etc
True. However, drafting a wideout in the first round three years in a row (a la Detroit) isn't exactly what I call "rebuilding". To have a successful football team, you also need competent management.
In regards to the dark times Packer fans endured in the 70's and 80's, keep in mind that that was before the new CBA, FA, salary cap and revenue sharing. These things have ensured that all teams have a chance at the Super Bowl any given year, and have contributed to making the NFL the premier sports league in the world.
GO PACK!!!
Robert C. Hedley
When did we draft a WR in the first round 3 straight years. Without doing research the only WR I remember Sherman drafting in the first round was Walker, which prove to be a great pick. I could be wrong though.
porky88 said:TT isn't making careless mistakes. Because of the careless contracts Sherman worked out (Robert Ferguson, Joe Johnson, KGB, Cledius Hunt) GB didn't have the money too resign Rivera or Wahle. TT offered Wahle a contract, he went to Carolina for more money. GB could not compete with Carolina in terms of the contract. Unfortunately, Wahle was due a huge roster bonus and had to get released.
longtimefan said:This was also Mikes team, can not lay all the blame on TT..
I still find it hard to believe how TT, and the front office would have made it work where BOTH sides were happy..
I did not like the Woodson signing because of the $$$ he got, not because of the player he is...Any player that gets a huge pay day can get hurt, and it will bite ANY team in the a@@...But that is the chances teams take and have to deal with it if it happens...
Wahle also said that AT THE TIME Brett's non decision played a huge part...Mike had a chance to get some BIG $$ and with Brett not announcing anything it made Mikes choice easier..
http://www.packersnews.com/archives/new ... 3598.shtml
Wahle has expressed a desire to remain with the Packers, but there are several factors that could change that between now and March. If Favre retires, Wahle might not want to hang around Green Bay for what could be a lean, rebuilding period.
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all about da packers said:Great thread guys and gals, THANK YOU for not starting to go at each others throats.
If I remember correctly, didn't Whale want out of GB? If this is true, I guess TT can't be blamed for really not resigning Whale, because you can't sign a player to play for a team he doesn't want to.
longtimefan said:2.7 cap hit for 2005..
http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football ... layer=2382
I have seen many many posts, and articles about the Wahle issue, and maybe I am an idiot, but for the life of me, I can not see how a 2.7 cap hit would have fit in the Packers cap in 2005...
sure the $$ were there a few weeks later and that is how they got some of those other so called players..but it didnt help the team when they needed to make a choice on to sign him or not to sign him.
I am not trying to be a jerk here...but I honestly can not see how they could have kept him...Looking back at it now I can see how it could have been done, but we are talking at the time that a decision HAD to be made the money was not there..
Hindsight is 20/20 ( btw who came up with that phrase)
longtimefan said:I fully agree it did blow up in his face and I recall him saying that guards were easy to replace/or not WORTH the same amount as tackles..
But I can't put the entire blame on just him..He has people he takes advice from just like your boss in the real world....What he does with that advice is another matter..
I know that Brandt has a huge hand in how contracts are done..maybe he had a hard time getting something to fit with Wahle...
But TT does have the power to say do what ever it takes..