Packers D is not awesome

212 YPG allowed through the air is decent. 70 YPG allowed on the ground is outstanding.

Yeah, that's a respectable defense. I wouldn't call it "frigginawesome", but it's respectable.

If the Steelers had those stats through three playoff games, then would it be friggin awesome?

no b/c their standards are higher then anyone else

Well... since you mentioned it, it just so happens we've allowed less total yards than you've allowed passing.
Friggin' awesome? Nah. It's what we're supposed to do. Zero yards allowed would be friggin' awesome.

Right. At home. Against the Jets and Ravens, ranked eleventh and twenty-second in yards/game. Nice work. Thought I'd also mention that our crappy defense allowed 17 points/game over three road playoff games while your friggin awesome Steelers managed 21.5 points/game over two games against a couple of seriously lack-luster offenses. So just keep on bangin' that superiority drum.

"Offensive powerhouses"?!? Oh Lord...

The super-devastating 30th ranked Chicago Bears, or the unstoppable 16th ranked Falcons?
The only "powerhouse" you faced was Philly, and they blowed you up for 350 yards.

Average rank of your "powerhouses" was 16th and the average rank of our bottom-feeders was 17th and we allowed less yards total than you allowed passing.

I maintain that neither performance was "superfrigginawesome".

I know you're gonna get your hackles up because I have the nerve to disagree, but I really have no interest in turning this into another smack talk thread just because you're all butt-hurt.

If you think it's zomgsuperfrigginawesome111eleventy then have it your way *shrug*.
/doesn't bother me one way or the other

Could have fooled me. Jeez. Pretty sarcastic response man.

Murgen,

Quoting LTF:

You know me enough by now to know I'd rather not go down this road. I just wanna talk football.

Hell, Big Ben never has an easy time against *anybody*.
I did say that your defense is respectable. If I somehow gave you the impression that I think we're gonna walk all over you, I apologize for the misunderstanding.

I never said you did. The OP said it. You jumped in because I had the nerve to disagree.

Which was what turned this into a "who's better" urinating competition. I didn't raise the question of which team has a better defense and had no interest in going there. You did.
All I said is that your defense is respectable.

You're the one focused on "who's more impressive", not me.
All I said is that both defenses are respectable. I reserve "superfrigginawesome" for better than this.
And when you find any posts from me "touting the Steelers dominance over the Packers", be sure to let me know. Both of these teams have earned the right to be here, and neither team is "dominant".

All due respect, but you're reading into it crap I ain't saying.
What "I'm coming off as" is your interpretation, not what I wrote.
I am careful to not confuse you with "a lot of Packers fans" and I don't judge the Packer Backers as a whole by the behavior of a few individual fans.
Extend me the same courtesy in the future and we can avoid this silliness. Whatcha say?


As far as the "scoring" thing goes, you are free to compare whatever stats you like (tho' the rest of us rate offenses and defenses by yards). But that ain't even the point.
I was asked if I would rate the performance differently had it been the Steelers, and was merely illustrating that I wouldn't. "Impressive", but not "frigginawesome". We're used to having good defense; we do this sort of thing year-in and year-out.
We've fielded a lot of exceptional defenses over the years, but the only one I'd call "awesome" would be the '76 defense, and we didn't even make the SB that year.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KSLg4JsQKA"]YouTube - '76 Steelers Defense "The Steel Curtain"[/ame]

LOL they haven't given up more than 14 points this offseason. (ATL scored 21 but one TD was a kick return).

I would say that is frikking awesome. And we played the league's best O at their home (Eagles).

In contrast, you gave up more than 14 points both instances, to a putrid Jets O that couldn't score a single point against us at their home.

Are you really gonna make the case that the Chargers were the best D in the league???????

Uhh... let's see here... (goes to NFL.Com)

#1 total defense San Diego Chargers.
#1 pass defense San Diego Chargers.
#4 run defense San Diego Chargers.

Yeah. Looks like. You tellin' me the official ranking is incorrect?

Feel free to use whatever numbers you prefer. All of this is just an exercise in ego-stroking that has nothing to do with the discussion anyway.

Yes I'm telling, because that's not the "official" ranking. There isn't such thing. Just because the first criteria NFL.COM uses is yards, doesn't mean it's official.

And, yes, I'm telling it's wrong, because, yards-wise, they were #1 in O, #1 in D, and still couldn't make the playoffs in a ****** division.

The Chargers sucked this year. Yes, ST had a lot to do. But we had the worst ST last year, and still made the playoffs. With the "best" O and D in football, they should've made it anyway.

Yards don't mean jack. Points do.

Otherwise, MN would've won the NFCC game last year.

One problem with points allowed is that it doesn't take into account ko/punt return TDs..

Both points and yards are flawed, but overall points is a much less terrible way to measure a defense. Advanced stats are better, or you can look at yards/carry combined with opposing passer rating.

Actually, the only thing that "means jack" is wins.

Justify it however you like. I don't really care. The rest of us still rate defenses by yards allowed. Always has been and always will be. Not that this has anything to do with the discussion.

And what's the measure of winning games? Scoring and allowing points.

Really don't know who the rest of you are, but we rate Ds primarily by points, thus you were #1 and we were #2, the Bears' #3 etc...

In fact, our coach and players rate D by points allowed, so I'll stick with them.

And it has everything to do with the discussion. The main point the author makes about our D being great is due to points allowed.

We know our D is great because, even in games our O has struggled, our D has never given up more than a TD of lead. They have kept us in every game this season, and they've single handedly won games for us (second and last bears game, jets game...).

Anyway, I don't know how extensive is your knowledge about our D, if you have based it on last year (when we were great at yards allowed but were awful in some aspects, mainly coverage responsability and blitz timing...), and we don't have the same tradition of great D as you guys have (not recent at least, the "elders" could make a serious case rivaling Lombardi's D with the Steel Curtain), but we've seen a great D under Reggie White, and this D is better than that.

This is by far the best D we've had in the last 30 or so years. It is awesome, and most of the players are young and are only in their 2nd season with this D.

dupe

I'm sure it looks awesome in comparison to what you're used to. But in terms of the league's standards? In terms of *my* standards (someone who's used to seeing this level of defense every year)?

The '62 Packers were awesome. The 2000 Ravens were awesome. The '71 Vikings were awesome. The '85 Bears were awesome. The 2010 Packers are respectable. Likewise, the 2010 Steelers are respectable.