Other NFC North Notables

[tromadz]

I watched some of the Bears preseason game against the Niners...

Rex Grossman really sucks. He had some touchdowns(niners guy fell down...etc...wasnt grossman much) but he had an interception and a fumble. the thing is...on the INT....he almost did the same thing like 5 minutes later. same route, same mistake, but the niner guy dropped it cuz the niners stink.

if the bears think they can do it ALL on defense...well...good luck with that.

Grossman = GB wins division

 

[all about da packers]

Just to add to that ^, he had trouble handling snaps from the center WHILE STANDING RIGHT BEHIND THE CENTER.

That's pathetic for a starting QB.

 

[Zero2Cool]

Brett Favre QB rating 72.7

Rex Grossman QB rating 73.9

You guys think Grossman is just horrible yet the Bears went to the Super Bowl with him.

If Grossman improves even a little bit this team will be better.

I can't wait for the Bears to pound the Packers! Let's do a little math

Bears=very good

Packers=Bad

The numbers don't lie boys!

It's not so much that Rex sucks, its that you never know if you're getting good Rex or bad Rex. Meaning you can get an awesome Rex who wins the game for you, or a Rex who makes it almost impossible for you to win in which the Bears had a stellar D and phenomenal special teams that bailed him out.

With Brett, you know what you're getting. Some great throws mixed in with some poor decisions, but over all a good QB who is a good leader.

Brett is better than Rex, no question, although he is declining and its been evident the last two seasons. Keep in mind Packer fans who want to bash me, I am a huge Brett fan and some say apologist, but I'm not naive to what I see on the gridiron.

Sun. 10 @ Packers 3:15 PM WBBM W 26-0
Sun. 17 LIONS 12:00 PM WBBM W 34-7
Sun. 24 @ Vikings 12:00 PM WBBM W 19-16
October

Sun. 1 SEAHAWKS 7:15 PM WBBM W 37-6
Sun. 8 BILLS 12:00 PM WBBM W 40-7
Mon. 16 @ Cardinals 7:30 PM WBBM W 24-23
Sun. 29 49ERS 12:00 PM WBBM W 41-10
November

Sun. 5 DOLPHINS 12:00 PM WBBM L 13-31
Sun. 12 @ Giants 7:15 PM WBBM W 38-20
Sun. 19 @ Jets 12:00 PM WBBM W 10-0
Sun. 26 @ Patriots 3:15 PM WBBM L 13-17
December Sun. 3 VIKINGS 12:00 PM WBBM W 23-13
Mon. 11 @ Rams 7:30 PM WBBM W 42-27
Sun. 17 BUCCANEERS 12:00 PM WBBM W 34-31
Sun. 24 @ Lions 12:00 PM WBBM W 26-21
Sun. 31 PACKERS 7:15 PM WBBM L 7-26

Other then the Jets and the Cardinal game, please point out some other games where the defense bailed Grossman out.

2006 was his first full season as a starter; he had some poor outings, every QB does! Grossman could turn out to be a very good QB. Favre is a good QB that will be gone next year. So tell me what your plans are for the QB position.

If you can't do it on your own, I'm sure as hell not going to lol

 

[Pack93z]

On NFL.com... if this proves to be serious... that would really affect their special teams...

Bears' Hester leaves game with shoulder injury
Associated Press

CHICAGO -- Chicago Bears wide receiver and return specialist Devin Hester left in the first quarter of Saturday's preseason game with a shoulder injury.

Hester had a 29-yard punt return to put the ball on the Chicago 49, but left several plays later, when he was injured trying to block. He stayed down for a few minutes, then jogged to the sideline. With Muhsin Muhammad being held out, Hester started at wide receiver.


And this little nugget from home-town Pro-footballweekly... If the hammy isn't right going into the season, it might not be right all season.

Taking into account Bears DT Tommie Harris’ extremely limited playing time up to now, team sources are becoming more convinced by the day that the hamstring injury that prematurely ended his ’06 season remains far from being 100 percent healed. Don’t be surprised if Harris gets in the neighborhood of 20 to 30 snaps in the season opener vs. San Diego, as opposed to the 40 to 50 snaps he would get if he were completely healthy.

 

[Zombieslayer]

I watched some of the Bears preseason game against the Niners...

Rex Grossman really sucks. He had some touchdowns(niners guy fell down...etc...wasnt grossman much) but he had an interception and a fumble. the thing is...on the INT....he almost did the same thing like 5 minutes later. same route, same mistake, but the niner guy dropped it cuz the niners stink.

if the bears think they can do it ALL on defense...well...good luck with that.

Grossman = GB wins division

My younger brother had ducks. During mating season, the male duck would try to intimidate everyone who went close to the females, because he thought we wanted to mate with his women. Not wanting to hurt him, I just used the hose on him when I had to clean the duck pen.

That's how intimidating da Bears are with Rex Grossman behind center. If Lovie Smith had any brains and put a real QB in there, I'd be worried.

'07, we either split or sweep da Bears if Grossman stays healthy. If Grossman gets hurt, we might get swept. I pray Grossman stays healthy.

 

[Pack93z]

This makes me smile... somehow I think the Viqueens decision on Qb's this offseason is going to lead to a very long year for those purple blooded fans :thumbsup:

Vikings | Bollinger takes step backward
Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:23:42 -0700

Judd Zulgad, of the Minneapolis Star Tribune, reports Minnesota Vikings QB Brooks Bollinger seemed to take a step back in the team's last preseason game. He hit six of 11 passes for 52 yards while throwing two interceptions and being sacked once. He posted a 27.7 quarterback rating.


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Vikings | T. Jackson improving on recognizing blitz
Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:23:15 -0700

Judd Zulgad, of the Minneapolis Star Tribune, reports Minnesota Vikings QB Tarvaris Jackson seemed to do a good job of recognizing blitz packages and throwing to the proper receiver during the team's last preseason game. However, the ball did not always end up at the intended target.

 

[Obi1]

Brett Favre QB rating 72.7

Rex Grossman QB rating 73.9

You guys think Grossman is just horrible yet the Bears went to the Super Bowl with him.

If Grossman improves even a little bit this team will be better.

I can't wait for the Bears to pound the Packers! Let's do a little math

Bears=very good

Packers=Bad

The numbers don't lie boys!

I would put an average by the Packers. 8-8 was the middle of the "pack" last year. Also how can you compare Favre to Grossman. Favre was on the Packers and Grossman was on the Mighty Chicago Bears whom had the best defense in the NFC and the best special teams in the league. Not to mention a slew of solid players on offense and one of the better offensive lines in the NFC.

Hardly seems fair to compare the two. Actually, the fact that the washed up old grey haired Brett Favre held his own against Grossman, really shows just how bad Rex Grossman really is.

I never compared the two QB's. The reason I posted the QB ratings is to prove that Grossman held his own. You are right; the Bears have the best defense and special teams; a very good O-line, good receivers, good tight ends and good running backs! This is why we will easily win the NFC North.

Yes you are sooooo correct! Packers could NEVER have slughtered the Bears in the final game of the regular season, without the heroics of Rex Grossman. His laser like passes found Nick Collins and Patrick Dendy for Great TDs.

As matter of fact, he was the Packer MVP in that game.

I hope that he plays the same way again for the Packers when we play the Bears.

 

[Pack93z]

I had to open my friggin mouth today... Dang it..

Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that the Eagles and Vikings have agreed to a trade that will send quarterback Kelly Holcomb to Minnesota in exchange for a 2008 sixth-round draft pick.

Holcomb's days were obviously numbered in Philadelphia, as Donovan McNabb is the clear starter, A.J. Feeley has the No. 2 job locked up, and rookie Kevin Kolb is the team's quarterback of the future.

The Philadelphia Inquirer reported today that as many as four teams were interested in Holcomb, and that the Vikings and the Falcons were two of them.

Holcomb has started 21 games in his NFL career, and his numbers, while not spectacular, are respectable: A 64.6% career completion percentage and a 79.9 passer rating. He'll likely be the No. 2 quarterback in Minnesota, behind starter Tarvaris Jackson. Brooks Bollinger had been slated to serve as Jackson's backup, but his play in the preseason led the Vikings' coaches to conclude that they needed another veteran passer on the team.

The Vikings released eight players today, including quarterback

 

[vike4life]

Rex Grossman played good in game one and then terrible against the Colts. That's 50/50. Bad news for us. Heh, Heh, Heh.

Rex is starting? That's 100% good news for us.

I think his name is Wrecks. :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[vike4life]

I had to open my friggin mouth today... Dang it..

Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that the Eagles and Vikings have agreed to a trade that will send quarterback Kelly Holcomb to Minnesota in exchange for a 2008 sixth-round draft pick.

Holcomb's days were obviously numbered in Philadelphia, as Donovan McNabb is the clear starter, A.J. Feeley has the No. 2 job locked up, and rookie Kevin Kolb is the team's quarterback of the future.

The Philadelphia Inquirer reported today that as many as four teams were interested in Holcomb, and that the Vikings and the Falcons were two of them.

Holcomb has started 21 games in his NFL career, and his numbers, while not spectacular, are respectable: A 64.6% career completion percentage and a 79.9 passer rating. He'll likely be the No. 2 quarterback in Minnesota, behind starter Tarvaris Jackson. Brooks Bollinger had been slated to serve as Jackson's backup, but his play in the preseason led the Vikings' coaches to conclude that they needed another veteran passer on the team.

The Vikings released eight players today, including quarterback

I would not be to concerned about Kelly Holcomb. You should be more concerned about Childress handing over the play callling to the offensive coordinator.

 

[Blackjackking]

Brett Favre QB rating 72.7

Rex Grossman QB rating 73.9

You guys think Grossman is just horrible yet the Bears went to the Super Bowl with him.

If Grossman improves even a little bit this team will be better.

I can't wait for the Bears to pound the Packers! Let's do a little math

Bears=very good

Packers=Bad

The numbers don't lie boys!

I would put an average by the Packers. 8-8 was the middle of the "pack" last year. Also how can you compare Favre to Grossman. Favre was on the Packers and Grossman was on the Mighty Chicago Bears whom had the best defense in the NFC and the best special teams in the league. Not to mention a slew of solid players on offense and one of the better offensive lines in the NFC.

Hardly seems fair to compare the two. Actually, the fact that the washed up old grey haired Brett Favre held his own against Grossman, really shows just how bad Rex Grossman really is.

I never compared the two QB's. The reason I posted the QB ratings is to prove that Grossman held his own. You are right; the Bears have the best defense and special teams; a very good O-line, good receivers, good tight ends and good running backs! This is why we will easily win the NFC North.

Yes you are sooooo correct! Packers could NEVER have slughtered the Bears in the final game of the regular season, without the heroics of Rex Grossman. His laser like passes found Nick Collins and Patrick Dendy for Great TDs.

As matter of fact, he was the Packer MVP in that game.

I hope that he plays the same way again for the Packers when we play the Bears.

Packer's last game of the 2005 season they beat Seattle 23-17; were you better than Seattle? NO! Seattle had things wrapped-up and had nothing to play for. Once again, the Bears were in the same position! Why go all out and risk injury? After all it's just the Packers! Would I have like to see the Bears win that game? Yes, but Bear fans won't have to wait too long to witness a complete dismantling of the Green Bay Packers, 10-07-07. It was a meaningless game; if it had meant something the Bears would have won the game! End of discussion!

 

[Packnic]

you play to win the game. if you had nothing to play for in that game...that says a whole lot about your franchise.

that might be one of the 10 million reasons you couldnt beat the colts and one of the 10 million reasons you wont make the playoffs this year.


enjoy the hangover. *****es

 

[dhpackr]

Greg Olsen burning Brady Poppinga over the middle of the field

 

[Obi1]

Brett Favre QB rating 72.7

Rex Grossman QB rating 73.9

You guys think Grossman is just horrible yet the Bears went to the Super Bowl with him.

If Grossman improves even a little bit this team will be better.

I can't wait for the Bears to pound the Packers! Let's do a little math

Bears=very good

Packers=Bad

The numbers don't lie boys!

I would put an average by the Packers. 8-8 was the middle of the "pack" last year. Also how can you compare Favre to Grossman. Favre was on the Packers and Grossman was on the Mighty Chicago Bears whom had the best defense in the NFC and the best special teams in the league. Not to mention a slew of solid players on offense and one of the better offensive lines in the NFC.

Hardly seems fair to compare the two. Actually, the fact that the washed up old grey haired Brett Favre held his own against Grossman, really shows just how bad Rex Grossman really is.

I never compared the two QB's. The reason I posted the QB ratings is to prove that Grossman held his own. You are right; the Bears have the best defense and special teams; a very good O-line, good receivers, good tight ends and good running backs! This is why we will easily win the NFC North.

Yes you are sooooo correct! Packers could NEVER have slughtered the Bears in the final game of the regular season, without the heroics of Rex Grossman. His laser like passes found Nick Collins and Patrick Dendy for Great TDs.

As matter of fact, he was the Packer MVP in that game.

I hope that he plays the same way again for the Packers when we play the Bears.

Packer's last game of the 2005 season they beat Seattle 23-17; were you better than Seattle? NO! Seattle had things wrapped-up and had nothing to play for. Once again, the Bears were in the same position! Why go all out and risk injury? After all it's just the Packers! Would I have like to see the Bears win that game? Yes, but Bear fans won't have to wait too long to witness a complete dismantling of the Green Bay Packers, 10-07-07. It was a meaningless game; if it had meant something the Bears would have won the game! End of discussion!

This statement points out the weakness in your statement in the first place.

There is nocomparison between the 2 games.

Seahawks are not rivals of the Pack and don't harbor the same intensity of the oft hated Packers/Bears rivalry.

It was Lovie Smith who said their mission was to beat the Green Bay Packers wasn't it? Are NOT the Packers the same team that had been destroying the bears for a decade and a half?

If there ever was a game that was played for respect, it was that game.

Truth is, Packers came out much better prepared and ready to play than the Bears.

You say that it was a meaningless game... Is that why the Bears starters played most of the game?

To answer you question, if a team beats another team, regardless of their standing, won-loss record, playoff possibilities, or whatever, the winning team is better for that game than the losing team... Any other statement is justification by an ignorant fan.

Packers were better than the seahawks in 2005, and the Packers were 26-7 better than the Bears in that final game in 2006. And THAT is the TRUTH of it.

 

[Packnic]

Greg Olsen burning Brady Poppinga over the middle of the field

huh?

 

[dhpackr]

sorry,
i did not know you had a learning disability
Olsen is a TE for the Bears, Brady plays SAM LBer for the Pack. When the two teams face each other, it is the SAM LB job to cover opposing TE. Therefore, I am concerned whether Brady can cover Olsen over the middle of the field.

still paranoid, who exactly is stalking you Packnic? :lol:

 

[Blackjackking]

Brett Favre QB rating 72.7

Rex Grossman QB rating 73.9

You guys think Grossman is just horrible yet the Bears went to the Super Bowl with him.

If Grossman improves even a little bit this team will be better.

I can't wait for the Bears to pound the Packers! Let's do a little math

Bears=very good

Packers=Bad

The numbers don't lie boys!

I would put an average by the Packers. 8-8 was the middle of the "pack" last year. Also how can you compare Favre to Grossman. Favre was on the Packers and Grossman was on the Mighty Chicago Bears whom had the best defense in the NFC and the best special teams in the league. Not to mention a slew of solid players on offense and one of the better offensive lines in the NFC.

Hardly seems fair to compare the two. Actually, the fact that the washed up old grey haired Brett Favre held his own against Grossman, really shows just how bad Rex Grossman really is.

I never compared the two QB's. The reason I posted the QB ratings is to prove that Grossman held his own. You are right; the Bears have the best defense and special teams; a very good O-line, good receivers, good tight ends and good running backs! This is why we will easily win the NFC North.

Yes you are sooooo correct! Packers could NEVER have slughtered the Bears in the final game of the regular season, without the heroics of Rex Grossman. His laser like passes found Nick Collins and Patrick Dendy for Great TDs.

As matter of fact, he was the Packer MVP in that game.

I hope that he plays the same way again for the Packers when we play the Bears.

Packer's last game of the 2005 season they beat Seattle 23-17; were you better than Seattle? NO! Seattle had things wrapped-up and had nothing to play for. Once again, the Bears were in the same position! Why go all out and risk injury? After all it's just the Packers! Would I have like to see the Bears win that game? Yes, but Bear fans won't have to wait too long to witness a complete dismantling of the Green Bay Packers, 10-07-07. It was a meaningless game; if it had meant something the Bears would have won the game! End of discussion!

This statement points out the weakness in your statement in the first place.

There is nocomparison between the 2 games.

Seahawks are not rivals of the Pack and don't harbor the same intensity of the oft hated Packers/Bears rivalry.

It was Lovie Smith who said their mission was to beat the Green Bay Packers wasn't it? Are NOT the Packers the same team that had been destroying the bears for a decade and a half?

If there ever was a game that was played for respect, it was that game.

Truth is, Packers came out much better prepared and ready to play than the Bears.

You say that it was a meaningless game... Is that why the Bears starters played most of the game?

To answer you question, if a team beats another team, regardless of their standing, won-loss record, playoff possibilities, or whatever, the winning team is better for that game than the losing team... Any other statement is justification by an ignorant fan.

Packers were better than the seahawks in 2005, and the Packers were 26-7 better than the Bears in that final game in 2006. And THAT is the TRUTH of it.

Wrong! Lovie smith said in order to win the division they must first beat Green Bay. Well the division was won before we played the Packers; in fact home field was wrapped up throughout the playoffs. Maybe you should check your facts before you post!

 

[Packnic]

Wrong! Lovie smith said in order to win the division they must first beat Green Bay. Well the division was won before we played the Packers; in fact home field was wrapped up throughout the playoffs. Maybe you should check your facts before you post!

Maybe you should check your facts....

Lovie smith said when asked what his priorities would be as head coach.

number one was to beat the packers...

he didnt.

 

[Packnic]

sorry,
i did not know you had a learning disability
Olsen is a TE for the Bears, Brady plays SAM LBer for the Pack. When the two teams face each other, it is the SAM LB job to cover opposing TE. Therefore, I am concerned whether Brady can cover Olsen over the middle of the field.

still paranoid, who exactly is stalking you Packnic? :lol:

what are you talking about.

What have you seen that no one else in the world has seen to worry about Greg Olsen.

ok so you read blip in a column about Olsen having an impressive camp. well guess what *******, hes still second on the depth chart behind Desmond Clark.

So if your worried about a second string rookie TE burning a starting defense that hasnt given up a TE touchdown yet.... then you are far beyond anyones help. not to mention Rex Grossman is the QB.... but seriously look....

IF you think the bears are so much better... they wont notice one more **** on the bandwagon so saddle up.

 

[dhpackr]

sorry Packnic, I forgot about your learning disability again.
Greg Olsen has had a great camp. The Bears have another solid TE who has lit the Packers up b/f. Brady has had some difficulty covering TE's over the middle of the field, now the bears have two weapons at TE.

So seeing as how the thread is about NFC North Noteables(i think this is how it should be spelled, but ask the forum spelling champ) this is something i see should be thought about.

I know you are in NC, but around here, just b/c we complain about our GM's decisions, it does not mean we are now bears fans.

also should I point out how two guys your hero TT passed over for an injured DT, Olsen and Griffin, have had excellent TC, and TE and S are two of the weakest positions on the pack. Two thoughts at the same time maybe a little hard for you to digest though.

 

[Pack93z]

Just for the record.. Griffin has been playing CB for the Titans throughout camp...

 

[dhpackr]

Just for the record.. Griffin has been playing CB for the Titans throughout camp...

an even better reason to pass him over for an injured DT that might start two or three years down the road.

why have a guy that can play two positions on your defense?

 

[Pack93z]

Harrell might not be a great pick for us, time will tell, but we can go back through every draft in NFL history and point to picks that should have been different. Call it hindsight.. but we really don't know what Harrell will bring yet.

A couple of years ago we drafted a kid out of Florida State in the first round and he couldn't get the playbook down, ran horrible routes and had trouble catching the ball his rookie year. But wait... was he a bust after a poor rookie campaign? This reciever turned out to be none other than Pro Bowl reciever Javon Walker.

One season does not make a player a bust in my opinion.. so we shall see in the next two years.

BTW... I was pulling for Griffin to be a Packer as well... by alas he is in Tenn.

 

[porky88]

Can we stop with these personal attacks of one another. Otherwise it will make me have to pm people and I actually hate that. So let's tone it down guys and just talk football.

 

[Obi1]

Brett Favre QB rating 72.7

Rex Grossman QB rating 73.9

You guys think Grossman is just horrible yet the Bears went to the Super Bowl with him.

If Grossman improves even a little bit this team will be better.

I can't wait for the Bears to pound the Packers! Let's do a little math

Bears=very good

Packers=Bad

The numbers don't lie boys!

I would put an average by the Packers. 8-8 was the middle of the "pack" last year. Also how can you compare Favre to Grossman. Favre was on the Packers and Grossman was on the Mighty Chicago Bears whom had the best defense in the NFC and the best special teams in the league. Not to mention a slew of solid players on offense and one of the better offensive lines in the NFC.

Hardly seems fair to compare the two. Actually, the fact that the washed up old grey haired Brett Favre held his own against Grossman, really shows just how bad Rex Grossman really is.

I never compared the two QB's. The reason I posted the QB ratings is to prove that Grossman held his own. You are right; the Bears have the best defense and special teams; a very good O-line, good receivers, good tight ends and good running backs! This is why we will easily win the NFC North.

Yes you are sooooo correct! Packers could NEVER have slughtered the Bears in the final game of the regular season, without the heroics of Rex Grossman. His laser like passes found Nick Collins and Patrick Dendy for Great TDs.

As matter of fact, he was the Packer MVP in that game.

I hope that he plays the same way again for the Packers when we play the Bears.

Packer's last game of the 2005 season they beat Seattle 23-17; were you better than Seattle? NO! Seattle had things wrapped-up and had nothing to play for. Once again, the Bears were in the same position! Why go all out and risk injury? After all it's just the Packers! Would I have like to see the Bears win that game? Yes, but Bear fans won't have to wait too long to witness a complete dismantling of the Green Bay Packers, 10-07-07. It was a meaningless game; if it had meant something the Bears would have won the game! End of discussion!

This statement points out the weakness in your statement in the first place.

There is nocomparison between the 2 games.

Seahawks are not rivals of the Pack and don't harbor the same intensity of the oft hated Packers/Bears rivalry.

It was Lovie Smith who said their mission was to beat the Green Bay Packers wasn't it? Are NOT the Packers the same team that had been destroying the bears for a decade and a half?

If there ever was a game that was played for respect, it was that game.

Truth is, Packers came out much better prepared and ready to play than the Bears.

You say that it was a meaningless game... Is that why the Bears starters played most of the game?

To answer you question, if a team beats another team, regardless of their standing, won-loss record, playoff possibilities, or whatever, the winning team is better for that game than the losing team... Any other statement is justification by an ignorant fan.

Packers were better than the seahawks in 2005, and the Packers were 26-7 better than the Bears in that final game in 2006. And THAT is the TRUTH of it.

Wrong! Lovie smith said in order to win the division they must first beat Green Bay. Well the division was won before we played the Packers; in fact home field was wrapped up throughout the playoffs. Maybe you should check your facts before you post!

As good as the Bears were last year, they were no match for the Packers in that game. Call it irony, karma, whatever... Packers came out with the intensity and the Bears did not. Don't twist the facts. Bears wanted to win that game as much as the last one or any of their playoff games.

Ask Grossman if he felt at ease about his touchdown passes to DENDY and COLLINS of the Packers... Ask him if he was doing it because it was a meaningless game.