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OFFICIAL DEFENSIVE ISSUES THREAD

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Southpaw, Nov 6, 2011.

  1. 13 Times Champs
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    You haven't convinced me I misread your post. There's so much I disagree with in your latest verbous response. I absolutely don't agree that the defense is built on the turnover. That is a defense of the current state of affairs. The Packers had a solid defense all the way around last year. Any defense will be a solid one only if it is capable in all aspects of the game well and this defense is not. It isn't unrealistic to expect a solid defense this year based on the loss of only two players when we had so many players missing on defense last year. The viewer and the stats prove the Packer offense is prolific while the defense is pourous. Picking apart the offense to prove a nebulous point escapes me. Pickett missed two games and Collins an entire season. Yes we have missed Collins but you can't build an argument for a season on his absence. And the Pass rush? You haven't come close to addressing this liability? How will Capers stop those third down plays in the playoffs when he has stated he has repeatedly placed emphasis on this aspect during the season and is baffeled by the gaffes?

    I am also done.
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    Lets just see what the heck happens next Sunday. Cross your fingers/legs and put on your lucky undies. I mean we ALL have lucky playoff undies I hope. It's only natural. I even have yellow ones with green trim. SO, the D should be fine. Relax.
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    Undies, did you say undies? play....off ready.
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    Since I didn't ask the question I don't have to respond. I made a post in response to Packer RS as I saw things and you responded with a yawn. Never said we played balls to the wall. Got a link where I did?

    PS I don't call other posters comments BS.
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    Look at that. The #1 D in the league just got knocked off in the first round.

    Oh yeah, stats matter.
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    But... but... but... defense wins championships!
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    I have made several posts in this thread. I paticipate with whom and where I see fit. You chose to particpate with me when I didn't with you.
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    I think what we're seeing here is that the best defenses aren't enough to stop the best offenses. Heck, Denver's offense hasn't even been that good (though it was today).
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    I accept your acquiescence of my point.
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    I'm a giants fan so I dont know all the isues on GB like most of u do but imo the packer offense scores so fast and so often that the defense is prbly on the field too long...the packers defense has as much talent on it as anybody....I do fell ur d-line is suspect though.
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    Just responding in kind. Check your posts. I'm perfectly willing to discuss things. I haven't noted any similiar willingness on your part other than criptic incindiary responses to my posts. Go back to where you responded to my post with a yawn. You will see that I didn't have a give and take with you beforehand.

    I have placed you on ignore.
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    That's certainly part of it. However, we also allow about the highest yards per play to the other team. But a lot of that is because the other team spends a lot of time passing as well to keep pace. Throw in the rule changes that have been made over the last 5 years which have now put skirts on our WRs and not just our QBs anymore and you have a recipe for huge yards in the air.

    The rule changes over the last 5 years have gone a long ways toward turning the NFL into the CFL. They are gradually making the RB position obsolete by making it so damn easy to rack up huge yards in the air. Even the Steelers and Giants are much more geared toward passing than they had been at any other time in their long histories.
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    Gary D’Amato wrote a very good piece in the jsonline yesterday. It asks the question is this Packers team among the best in team history. He talks about Lambeau’s ’36 team and Lombardi’s ’62 team as he fleshes out the answer. It contains some nuggets like Jesse Whittenton, CB of the ’62 team saying that teams biggest weakness was “we couldn’t turn down a drink in a bar”. It also quotes Larry McCarren, whose opinion I respect, about this year's team:
    OK that’s not that great a quote, but I really wanted to commend that article here.
    http://www.jsonline.com/sports/pack...g-best-in-team-history-4p3loiu-136856038.html
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    This is what I am talking about in terms of the Saints and Packers. It's about having an offense that is so good and has so many weapons that even the best defense cannot hope to defend against it. In terms of the Packers Vs the Giants, and Saints too if you will, the reason I speak of this game and prospective game mostly in terms of offense is because I don't think either game will be played on a defensive level. I'm not going to completely disregard the defenses role in any game, I just don't see them being the focal point. As one Giants fan tried to make a point out of showcasing the Giants defense, I think he is looking at the wrong weapon. The Giants could have the best defense in the league, and Aaron Rodgers and the Packers offense would shred them.

    As for the wonderful debate that is going on in this thread, a note to the participants. I am speaking in my NON mod voice, for the record. I would just like to say, that although you two may be frustrated with one another, you are entertaining the hell out of me. The reason I join forums and stay on them are because of debates such as this. Although you represent opposing view points, you have both brought profound reasoning and debate skills to this argument. Your arguments clearly comes from a place of passion. I hope you both can continue and remain respectful, I say that out of concern because I personally respect and adore both of you. Carry on, for without disagreement, there can be no debate.
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    I was wondering, after this weekend, do you feel the same?
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    Last weekend, I would of agreed with that statement. But this weekend I'm not so sure. Both San Fran and the Giants defenses came up huge. The difference is, the Giants also have the offense. It may not be the year of the QB after all.
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    Our offense lost on its own. When you drop 8 very catchable passes, 6 of which would have been first downs, you defeat yourself.
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    Peprah sucked.
    Our 3rd down defense in the first half was CRIMINALLY BAD.
    But they did their job in the 3rd quarter and early 4th quarter. They surprised me.

    Our offense FUMBLED 3 BALLS AWAY.
    Rodgers & Jennings missed an easy TD on drive #1.
    And Jennings dropped another TD in his hands.
    Crabtree dropped an easy 3rd down pass that hit him in the hands/numbers.
    Why is Tom Crabtree being thrown to on any down not in the pre-season right now?
    Driver should be on the field, so should Jones, Jordy, even Cobb before him.

    Rodgers running was the only good thing on offense except for Driver's great hands.
    I love that guy. I feel so sad for Driver more than anyone today (except for myself and my little 8-year old son as we would have won some good $ in the Super Bowl pool had we won the SB over NE or Baltimore, one of us would have won it)
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    Point is our offense has to play perfect due to an inadequate defense.
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    8 dropped balls is 7 too many. But our D was in trouble the whole game. Giants receivers were constantly left wide open or given room in front to roam. That is just bad defense and need to be corrected if we hope to win a Super Bowl next season.
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    True, and so many people thought that our offense would always play perfect.
    Nobody does, especially in weather that's about 15 degrees windchill.
    That's cold! That affects fingers. I know the Giants didn't drop ANY did they, just like Plaxico didn't drop any when he mutilated Al Harris 4 years ago.
    Wonder why that is.
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    Lucky undies don't work guys. Tried it.
    Still don't get it. I don't get how this D fell apart in one year. I know the losses and all with Jenkins and Collins.

    Get another legit pass rusher. Or two. Look at the Giants. They got like 4 of them.
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    Tramon didn't even look like he belonged on the field yesterday. I'd be okay with getting upgrades at that position and a few more (ROLB, LILB, SS if Collins retires, and DE).

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