My 1000th post!

For my 1000th post I want to make a special salute to not one but two groups. These groups go together like oil and water and that is what makes it so damn special.
I would like to salute the 2005 NFC North Division Champion Chicago Bears and the Packer fans right here at packerforum.com who said all year that it would never happen.
After making my predictions for this season known back in August, I was met with lots of hostile little comments claiming that I was just flaming, trolling and insulting the Packers and their fans. Why you may ask? Because I said that the Bears would be a better team than the Packers, that Favre would throw a lot more picks this season. That losing two starters to the offensive line would kill Favre's protection along with the running game and that the offense would stumble while the defense would not be good enough to pick up the slack. All of these came true by the way.
When the Packers had injuries I said that the good teams like New England have players to step up while the ones with little or no depth use that as an excuse. The New England Patriots are in the playoffs.
When the Bears were forced to start a rookie QB I said that they could win with him and that he was at least as good as Aaron Rodgers if not better. The Bears went 9-4 with Kyle Orton at QB while Rodgers looked lost during the pre-season and can't get into a game even when the Packers season was lost weeks ago.
Of course being a Bears fan meant that I did not know what the hell I was talking about and the green and gold glasses covered up all of the Packers glaring problems. What would a Bears fan know about a good team falling on hard times? The Bears had never won anything before and never had a hall of fame player finally reach the end of a great career right?
When it was obvious that the Packers were going nowhere and talk of next years draft kicked in about the middle of October, many here claimed the Bears would stumble and be lucky to finish 8-8. When the Bears passed that 8th win the new chant was that the Vikings would pass the Bears in the standings, wait till they play Carolina and Tampa, and that Favre would lead the Packers to victory in Chicago. None of those came true by the way.
When I commented on the possibility of Favre retiring, the fans here somehow thought that it was I who was starting these rumors even though they themselves started many threads questioning if Favre would be back, should he retire or even making “trade Favreâ€

Just hope they don't have to meet the Steelers again in Detroit...

Well......wouldn't you EXPECT us to be "consistant?" We are TRUE Packer fans..........we DON'T jump ship at the first sign of disaster.........as you obviously didn't fron the Bears fan wagon, even though they stunk it up pretty much since 1985. A true fan remains loyal to his/her team, and HOPES the best, even when things slide. This is the first time you really had a chance to brag and beat your chest for many years, so go ahead and enjoy it. Whether the Bears last one, or two games into the playoffs, at least you get to see them play one or two more games. The Bears DID beat the Packers, but then, is that really such a huge thing this year? It's not like the Packers have been that hard to beat this season. It's one thing to have depth on your team, but when you have to pick up a 7th string running back, a punter who the day before was a bartender, and wide receivers off of the dump piles to try to piece together a team, thats pretty hard for ANY team to over come. Other then the blow out against the Ravens, the Pack was in every game. One or two plays away from wins instead of losses. The Bears, well, the ball bounced there way this year, or they could be in the same position the Packers are in now. It's NOT like the Bears have blown out the other teams. How do you think they would fare against say the Colts?

And we don't have to ask how they might fare against Pittsburgh now do we? heh heh heh

i will resurrect this thread after the playoff loss, bragging about winning the north this year shouldn't be much of a consolation prize :wink:

not to say the Bears didn't play good football, they were phenomenal...you crass sonovabitch!

I've been saying the lions are going to be great for years. I don't think when they finally are I'm going to pat myself on the back because I was right that one time. I'd remember I was just supporting my team and they finally lived up to my expectations.

That's a lot of talk from a team that might miss the playoffs.

And that is just what I was talking about. You still believe that it was just a few lucky bounces of the football that made the difference between one team going 11-4 and another going 3-12.
If football is all just a bounce going your way and the luck of the coin flip then why should the Bears fear playing the Colts? Did the Colts just get the lucky bounces go their way all season or did they make the plays needed to win those games? The Bears made the plays to win and the Packers did not. You can spin it till your blue in the face but that won't change the facts.

Yeah, if they can't beat that other NFC North powerhouse from Detroit...

Steelers are peaking at the best time possible... for the postseason. They'd like nothing better than to win a ring for the Bus in his hometown.

I have always liked the Steelers so I can't whip up any anomosity for them now. They just kicked the Bears *** and that's all.

Comparing the COLTS to the BEARS!?!? Come on Phil.....get serious!!! The COLTS won because they are GOOD. The Packers were 3 plays from beating your "great" Bears last weekend. Two missed field goals, and the Favre interception for a Bears TD. It's NOT like the Bears wipped the Packers. So i STICK to my belief that the Packers did darn good considering their injuries this year. And the Bears are NOT the power house you seem to think they are. They sure as heck are not in the same class as the Colts are this year.
So you can hold onto your delusion for a few more weeks......i really don't care. Reality will come soon enough. If the Bears win the Super Bowl this year, i will come on here and announce you as the smartest, most knowledgable football fan in the WORLD. And the BEARS are GREAT. (I don't fear i'll have to follow through on that)

:rotflmao: ok phil - i'm challenging you to look your computer right in the monitor & tell it & all of us that you REALLY believe the bears are a good team. the defense?? absolutely!! the offense?? it's a joke! if the bears were truly a team to be reckoned with on both sides of the ball, i'd be the first to admit it but COME ON PHIL - even YOU must admit that's not the case this year. i wish them luck (cause they're gonna need it) with the playoff(s) game(s) they play this season & i wish YOU well phil cause you must have a VERY SORE ARM FROM PATTING YOURSELF ON THE BACK!!!! :stop: :wink: :wink: :lol:

Phil - that post was entirely too gracious to be allowed in the SMACK forum

I hope your beloved Bears make it as far as possible - until the SB then all bets are off...

I agree Sunshine!!! I wonder if he can do it with a straight face!!! I'm not willing to say the Packers were good this year.........i DO say they hung in all but one game, playing with mostly scrubs. So i'm proud of their attempt. They may have lost alot, but not for lack of giving it their best.
The Bears are like a guy hanging on the side of a cliff, hanging on by his fingertips........he's still hanging on, and hasn't fallen off, as the Pack alreay has, but there's someone standing on the top of the cliff, stepping on his fingers.
The 1985 Bears were GREAT. The 2005 Bears are slightly above average. Which in our division this year was enough to make them 11-4.
Thats just reality.

ill do it for him. With rex grossman in, they dont have to rely soley on the run (with thomas jones, benson whos coming back and peterson...damn good trio). Moose is a pro bowler, justin gage is coming out this year, and hes a big target for a young QB. the offensive line has (slowly over the last few years) improved. The offense, where it is nowhere near as good as the defense, is solid. and when your defense is the best in the league, a solid offense is all you need. I will be rooting for the bears here on out.

theres gotta be a law against that...Karl is dissapointed in you.

Welcome, Trom. The Bears need every soul in the city to be rooting them on, including those displaced Green Bay Packer fans.

Missed FGs don't count in the real world. If they do then you can count that TD that Moose dropped as well right? While you are at it then take that returned punt off the board because he stepped out of bounds and there was an illegal block and a hold that were never called either.
I tell you what does count though, picking off a pass and running it into the end zone. That's a real play, it really counts as 6 points and it's not luck. You want to put points on the board for plays that the Packers did not make and then take them off for the Bears for plays that really happened. What kind of logic is that? Typical Packer view of history.
By the way, my point about the Colts was that some people believe that it is nothing but luck that the Bears are in the playoffs so why even bother playing the games. Just give the trophy to the Colts right now.
Aren’t these the same fans that claimed that the Packers were the better team when they lost to the Broncos in the Super Bowl? The Bears were a much better team than the Redskins in 1986 but lost just the same. You give up before the game is even played.
The Bears gave up the fewest points in the NFL and it wasn’t even close. They won 11 games, have a home game and a bye. That is not luck. Sorry if you can’t grasp the fact that there are actually 31 other teams in the NFL who make first downs, intercept passes, score touchdowns, sack Quarterbacks and even win games without the Packers even being involved. :roll:

The 2005 Bears and 2005 Packers took different roads this year for many reasons. Reality is that I'm still glad to see the Bears finally look like they are good enough to belong in the playoffs and they are no doubt more then good enough this year. Next year?? Who knows, who cares right now. Too many things can happen to any team that aren't predictable.

I will say this though, I'm pulling for the Bears in the playoffs because they are a deserving bunch and played their asses off this year and deserve all the credit in the world. Sure, I wish the Packers had an opposite record of what they do, but that isn't the case and at least the Bears unlike the Vikings will make a good representation of the division.

So, I pull for this team until they either lose in the playoffs or win the whole damn thing, and next year while wishing no ill will towards them, I'll be rooting against them as usual while hoping the Packers can put it together unlike this year.

ive always liked the packers and the bears, and it has been ok..since the bears havent been a legit threat in over ten years. Now it sucks...but i am green and gold forever...however since GB is out of it, and the bears (who hustle, play D, grind the running game, work every play...how can you not like that football. that used to be packer football)

GO PACK GO

then...

GO BEARS GO...bears are at least a good organization. I dont like angelo too much but its a hell of a lot better organization than the vikings.

I don't think my view of reality is any less REAL then yours. Our opinions differ, and i can, and will live with that.
The Bears are better then the Packers this year. That doesn't give them the Lombardi trophy. When......or if.......they win it, i will say they earned it.

Oh.....by the way.......the Broncos cheated. They did not follow the rules on the salary cap. If they had, maybe they wouldn't have had Elway AND Davis. They were caught, last year, and fined i think something like 100 grand. They SHOULD have been stripped of the SB Trophy for cheating. I guess cheaters DO prosper.

Fair enough

Phil, i would CHEER for the Bears if they can "get er done!" I cheered for them in 85 when they won the SB. If the Pack can't win it, i'd LOVE to see another team from our division (except the Vikings :wink: ) win it all. It just seems the AFC is WAY too over powering this season. They have too many good teams for the NFC to overcome. To me, Seattle is the one that will go to the SB. Of course, as the old saying goes, on any given day one team can beat another.
If all else fails, i'd like to see Pittsburgh do it (for PACKINSTEEL). I guess we will all see, about a month from now what will transpire.

I'm not too worried about Seattle. Inside the NFL made a great point last night - Seattle hasn't really won against a great team this season except for Indi and have beat two other potential playoff teams in Dallas and Giants. Indi's game doesn't really count that much because their starters didn't play that much. Here's their record:

Jaguars - lost
Falcons - won
Cards - won
Wash - lost
Rams - won
Tex - won
Dal - won
Cards - won
Rams - won
SF - won
Giants - won
Phil - won
SF - won
Tex - won
Indi - won

The two teams the lost to have good defenses. How would they do against the best D? I tell you, that would be a great game to watch!

Both Marino and Carter picked the Bears to go to the SB.