I want to thank all the Bears fans lately who have....

Now I can't make an effective argument against Millen, but come on. There was a lot of stuff out of his control.
People blame him for hiring Mariucci, but if you remember, Mariucci was considered a premier coach. Everyone said this was a great move.

Drafting Harrington? Harrington was considered a top 5 pick. He was supposed to be the guy and everyone agreed that Harrington was the guy. Mooch never coached him properly and partially, he just didn't have what it takes.

You can't blame him for Rogers... Rogers is just a douchenozzle.

Now I do agree that Jauron was garbage. Millen should never have taken out the Bears' trash. And Buffalo will suffer under his incompetence.

I also think Millen should've canned Mariucci much earlier than he did. "Pros" everywhere said he was a great coach, though. He was the best coach available at the time. But he was quickly exposed for his fraudulency. After mid-way through his sophomore year, I was calling for his head.

Mike Williams will probably be a bust, but that's not Millen's fault either. He was considered a top talent in that draft. There were a bunch of question marks about Rogers and there were more even later, so he did need a receiver. Mike Williams just turned into a fat POS and didn't pay much attention to his game. Not Millen's fault. Millen would actually show up at practice and yell at the receivers because Mooch wouldn't.

But I'm not exonerating the man... How do lots of other competent GMs get production out of their picks? How do they make sure they are the real deal? They've got something that Millen doesn't.

But if Martz and Marinelli turn this thing around in time, you'll have to admit that it was just a poor set of circumstances for the guy early in his career. He hasn't turned it around yet, so in my eyes he is a douchebag until proven otherwise.

5-11 > 4-12 / Lions>Packers.

YEP.

Mr.Pickles is shocked Mineral came clean!

Here's to you Mr.Pickles friend:

Afghan Whigs Congregation track 12, the "hidden" track!

Mineral, you are a better man than Mr.Pickles!!!

GO BEARS!!!

Mr.Pickles tip of the day #73:

Like Mr.Pickles said, Mineral has brought class to this forum!!!


And Mr.Pickles does not care what you think of Mr.Pickles!!!

Tee-Hee!!!

Green and Henderson are done.

Bubba Franks is quickly becoming the most over rated Packer in team history. He has caught more than 50 passes in a season only once and has never had more than 7 TDs. If he did not have a goofy name no one would even remember him.

Chad Clifton is been half the player that he once was since the Warren Sapp deal.

How many pro bowls has Barnett been to again? None! How many LBs do you think the Bears will send to the pro bowl this season?

Driver is a decent receiver but he has gone over the 1,000 yard mark only 3 times in 8 seasons and is 31 years old.
He has averaged 662 yards per season to Muhsin Muhammad 's 850 and 4 TDs a season to Muhammad's 5. Funny how Muhsin Muhammad sucks but Driver is one of the greatest of all time eh?

Charles Woodson is also done and has been over rated and now very over paid for his entire career.

Wow, how inaccurate Phyllis.

Hendo is done? Why exactly is he done? Did you see him play last year? He's no Jason McKie......LOLOLOLOLOL

Green is done? So an injury makes you done? In that case Grossman should be retired!


Franks blows Desmond Clark out of the water - Franks has more catches and TD's than all you TE's combined. Sorry, wrong again


Clifton not as good as before? Why is this Phil? You must watch him block alot or something. Granted he does not get False starts called against him every other play, like Fred Miller, so Millers at least better at something.


Barnett has recorded more total Tackles per season than Mr Overrated Urlacher, 2 of the last 3 seasons


Driver has been over 1000 yards every season he started besides the 1 year he got hurt. Muhammed only been over 1000 3 Times in his career which is 3 years longer then DD's. Plus, Muhammed did it with the Panthers not the sorry Bears. Driver would be the Bears no. 1 in a heartbeat. Keep selectively stating the facts moron. Figurein Drivers stats as a starter compared to Muhammeds.....not even close!


Charles Woodson may be overrated but I'll take our CB's over yours any day of the week.

:wtf:

If the Bears were as good as the Packers, they would be 12 time World Champions. 8)

Dont's fret tho, Pickles. It could be worse: You could be the Queens. :whip:

GO PACK!!!

Robert C. Hedley

A Lions fan? A LIONS FAN???

ROTFLMFAO!!!!

Now that I got over that, one piece of solid advice:

Stay off the pipe, Mineral. It is starting to distort your perceptions of reality.

Seriously, tho... A Lions fan???

Literally Laughing Out Loud,

Robert C. Hedley

Hey... we finished ahead of the Packers. So that means that as terrible as the Lions are, the Packers are even worse.

while i agree that millen is not completely responsible for the lions demise, he's an easy one to blame. i hope martz is the lions "saving grace" but i wouldn't hold your breath on that one either.

as far as mooch goes, there were SEVERAL people on this site who wanted him as coach of the packers - i STILL haven't figured that one out yet!!

and yes, we finished last season with a worse record than your lions - was your team wracked with injuries?? oh but i guess that's just an excuse - my apologies.

I think that was mainly in part because the masses thought if the Packers had Mariucci on the sideline it would ensure Brett would continue playing.

duh shanks fer pointin dat out to da dumb blonde, zero!! LOL!!

i KNOW that's why & i STILL can't understand it - kinda like throwing the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak. "let's hire the party coach cause then brett will come back fer sure" - not smart, imho!

Umm... yeah. We were actually wracked with injuries.
Kevin Jones - starting RB
Roy Williams - #1 Receiver
Charles Rogers - not injured, just smoking too much pot, but still out.
Jeff Garcia - Who is a turd, but would've been the QB had he not gone down in preseason.
Boss Bailey - Starting MLB
Fernando Bryant - Starting CB
Teddy Lehman - Bailey's replacement
Jason Hanson - HoF kicker
Eddie Drummond - Probowl returner

come on... the Lions had MORE significant injuries than the Pack. You're treading dangerous water.

did you read the part where i said that's just an excuse?? i was serious!!

mineral, look up the loss's the Packers had due to injuries.

I'll be the first to admit that injuries aren't an excuse. But as long as you guys are using the excuse, the Lions could play that card, too.
I have to doubt that there were any GB injuries as significant as two MLBs, a starting cornerback and two starting receivers, a pro bowl returner, and a HoF kicker all simultaneously.
Injuries or not, your OLine sucked donkey balls and you haven't done much about it. Receivers sucked donkey balls (exception here is Driver). And because of this, your run-game suffered. And since your run game suffered so badly, your passing game dwindled and Lord Favre threw 29 picks. In addition to that, your line was totally incompetent and couldn't protect Favre, which compounded everything. It's one thing to force the passing game, but it's quite another to force the passing game when there's nobody to throw to and the defense knows what's coming.

I agree our OL was high schoolish.
I list our important ppl who were injured but i only got five an half more hours of work to go.

Well then, injuries plagued both teams. So I don't want to hear, "Blahblahblah, we were injured and that's why your record was slightly better than ours."
And the bottom line here is that good players find a way to stay on the field. Whether it's conditioning or whatever, they find a way. Injuries aren't an excuse. If you lose games because of injuries, it's because you need more depth. No depth? Blame your GM or coaching staff. But make no mistake; good teams find a way to win.

Injuries are part of the game. I didn't know we were debating who's injuries were worse regarding their status on their win/loss record.

I guess I jus took it as a whos penis is bigger contest lol

Well, it started when 4packgirl gave a half-hearted excuse for why the Lions won more games than the Packers. Then you jumped in to defend her remarks. Then I pointed out that the Lions were also plagued with injuries at key spots on the roster and took that excuse away from you.

Okay. If I jumped in to defend someone I better defend them.

Packers would have won more games than the Lions if the Lions suffered as much injuries talent-wise as the Packers and had an easy schedule like the Lions had because they did not have a playoff birth the previous season where the Packers did

...and if a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his *** when he hopped.

lol

I WIN I WIN I WIN woohoo now u must vote for me for mod!

Also: If you had a playoff berth, you obviously had some good returning players, right? Well, if you didn't sign them, blame your GM. If they were hurt, oh well. You didn't have enough depth.
:wink:

Let me post an honest reply to this bickering

Favre- no doubt our starter, case close
Green- LMAO. Not even close. He would be behind Benson, TJ, and
possibly Adrian Peterson
Henderson- Good FB. I think Bryan Johnson (McKie is not our starter) is
a better all around FB. However he can't stay healthy, so
Henderson would have a good shot.
Driver- Starter, probably our #1. Either way, he's top 2 so he starts.
Franks- Probable starter. I do think he's overrated and Clark is a better
blocker, but Franks will probably get the nod.
Clifton- Nope. Tait played Pro Bowl caliber LT last season.
Tauscher- Nope. Miller did not give up a sack. He did have a few false
starts but not as many as you think.
Barnett- Possibly as our 3rd LB. He doesn't touch Urlacher or Briggs.
Hunter's job is basically to take on blocks and funnel plays inside so
I'm not sure he would be the man for the job.
Collins- Haven't seen him play enough. May start over Chris Harris.
Woodson- I won't say he would be a starter until I see him stay on the field
for an extended period of time