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Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Hauschild, Dec 24, 2009.

  1. angryguy77
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    Umm didn't Murphy tell us all that Favre was told he could compete for his job???? I believe so. So if you hate lying then you should look no further than this current group running the pack.

    PR machine I believe came in the form of Ari Fleischer being hired by the packers. And we all know how honest his previous employer was don't we.
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    How is that a lie? Sure, conventional wisdom says Favre probably wouldn't have been competing for his job, but Favre never came in and made them start that competition. For all we know, there would've been an open competition. There's no way of knowing for sure if Murphy was lying or telling the truth, since it never came to that.
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    Exactly my point. The phrase "no way of knowing" can be applied to damn near everything that went down. So when Favre is said to be one thing, the same can be said about how the org acted as well.
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    If you paid attention to Favre's comments after the ordeal, you'll realize Favre had had enough by the time he flew into Green Bay. It didn't matter if TT, MM or Mr. "No Comment" offered him the starting job - it....was....finished. He was thru with Mr. Nickel-n-Dime Thompson and his quest to build the best team with the least amount of salary cap investment. Not saying that is wrong, but when you're on the working end of it trying to hold a lead or build one, it ain't no picnic.

    It just seems people still feel Brett Favre wanted to return to Green Bay when nothing could be further from the truth.
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    I would agree with that and I am starting to feel like he was "trying" to get out of there, and if he wanted out because of how Ted was doing things, thats his RIGHT!!!!

    But if all that is true, then I dont agree with how he handled it..
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    That is a good possibility. He may or may not wanted to be here anymore. But I do think that people need to hold off on the accusations and liar stuff. We simply don't know everything that was said between both parties. The only thing we do know is that both sides could have handled the situation better.
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    I think Favres body of work in December and beyond is not an anomoly of statistics skewed by his teamtes. He gets tired and grumpy and hates the cold. If it works out where he has to go to Philly for the finale he's toast. He'll have won one more game then us which accounts for nothing. minnys O line has been exposed to the point I think most playoff teams have a very good chance at the metro dump.
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    What were his options, really??? No matter how Brett handled it, half the people would have whined and become pissed-off at him, kinda like now.

    I admire him because he did what he wanted to do, which ultimately leads to a much more satisfying life, as opposed to living your life for other people and being completely miserable in the process.

    It turned out for the best because both QB's are Top-5 talents and thriving. Brett shows no signs of the natural aging process, so he could realistically stick around for another 2-3 years. If Minnesota can revamp the horrid secondary and suspect O-line, it could be an awesome rivalry between Minnesota and Green Bay well into the future.
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    What's your evidence for this? Stats taken out of context? Minnesota's unbeaten record at the Metrodome during the 2009 season???

    How do you expect to win an argument when you're shootin' blanks???
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    Says the guy that still hasnt produced evidence that GREAT pass defenses vs Brett was the cause of his "non December slumps"
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    I will tell you this much.

    If he really wanted out and explained it in the media why, at least that way his real intentions were out in the open and none of this he said she said crap
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    Ahhh but we do know Brett lied on a few occasions

    but we do not know all of everything that went down which is very true..I am going to post exact quotes from Brett showing his lies..

    Then I want someone to post the lies right from exact quotes from the Packers


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    No way would it have not been a story and I doubt it could have had any less impact on the NFL.

    I think another aspect you have to think about is why the onus would have all been on Brett to contort himself into something he wasn't comfortable doing? You say why couldn't Brett have come clean, but I say why didn't TT simply cut a deal with him that fateful Saturday evening and granted his release (at which point, the damage was done and Favre was NEVER playing for GB again.)? The same number of people would have whined regardless, because some people have trouble separating real life from their fantasies.

    There are many different ways to look at this situation, but the face is, Brett Favre was a special case and deserved better, or at the very least, different treatment. He brings home the bacon for the Packers and the NFL and he's certainly earned some seniority - not that I'm big into that socialistic concept, but still.

    Just be thankful we didn't employ Mutt-n-Jeff at the point Mike Sherman was coaching, or Favre would have been gone 4 years sooner.
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    Your still assuming that Brett was not at fault and nothing brett did was wrong..

    I have a feeling you might be sorry when all of it comes out

    but thats just me...
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    ...

    and Hausch says Packer fans are clouded in their judgment by their hatred of Favre...
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    I don't usually like to speculate.
    So I don't know who said what to whom or whatever during the Packers vs Burp Favre fiasco.
    All I know is what I saw and here it is.
    1) Burt says he's going to quit. I was like "Wait. He's going to quit after his last pass was an interception that lead to the other team getting the winning field goal. In a play off game." And "That's not like him to quit so early. He loves to play the game!"
    2) Then he says he wants to come back.
    Oh geez. What a flip flopping wishy washy flaky jelly fish! And a drama queen to boot.
    And that is one of my top three pet peeves. People who say one thing but then do another. In my book, they are not to be trusted. It's just like the boy who cried "wolf." There is no excuse for that. Sure, we have the right to do whatever we damn well please. But not all the time. One should be accountable and be trusted. One should keep his or her word.
    I dunno about you but I still believe in the fading concept of integrity.
    3) Later on he ends up on the Viqueens. During his first PR, a reporter asks him if it's about revenge. Burnt says "No."
    Oh puleeze! Don't B.S. the Pack fans like that! Show some respect.
    If it wasn't for revenge he would have gone to another team that's not a rival.
    That's my rant and I'm stickin to it.
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    LOL
    Good one!
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    No sorrow forthcoming here because I'm simply thrilled Favre continues to play NFL football.
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    It appears you're still caught up in taking sides and who was at fault when by the time the word got out, Favre no longer wanted to play football for Green Bay. It reads roughly, but it is the truth.

    At any rate, it's worked out pretty well for BOTH sides.
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    I agree with that completely. Minnesota got what was supposed to be the final piece to their puzzle in a good quarterback, and we got to start what should be the next generation in Packer football with Aaron Rodgers. A-Rod has done a fantastic job as QB, and hopefully we can win @ Arizona and the Queens can lose, so we finish with the same record. I believe that could go a long way to saying "Hey, we can be productive without you. Have fun being a Viking."
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    Now, all the remains for Thompson's forthcoming SIXTH season in charge is to finally field an offensive line that can not only protect the passer consistently, but also consistently run-block to form a nearly unstoppable offense. However, knowing what little regard TT has for O-lineman, I am certainly not going to hold my breath.
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    I would love to see that, and I'm sure Rodgers would as well. Almost 50 sacks on the season is completely unacceptable
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    At this point he most certainly has to focus on getting O-Lineman. No doubt about it. I'd be shocked if we don't draft an OT in the first round and another one in a later round.
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    I guess the thing I've learned about Thompson is that he doesn't do something just to do it - meaning it wouldn't surprise me if the 1st or 2nd round pick WAS NOT an O-lineman if perceived "quality" guys aren't there in those spots.

    Here's a question I've been thinking about - at this point in time knowing what we know - would anybody trade Clay Matthews for Michael Oher? It probably would have cost more to get Oher, but it appears both players are solid in their initial campaign.

    Drafting Oher might have prevented a few early season losses and the need to re-sign Tauscher, who could probably still play next year, but it is a gamble.
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    Man, that's really tough. Oher could be a great tackle and all that, but with our new scheme, we need at least one good pass rusher and Clay Matthews fills that need. I would say no. There's tons of OT talent that will be in the draft, so I'm hoping a Bryan Bulaga or Anthony Davis falls to the Pack.

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