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Holmgren is let go from the Browns

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by longtimefan, Oct 16, 2012.

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    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8511711/mike-holmgren-cleveland-browns-sale-official-sources-say

    Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

    No one suggest he come here.....

    With him in charge he hasnt proven he can do to much..

    As a coach, fantastic....Just not good in charge IMO
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    I never understood why he went from SB and playoff contender to a losing team.
    Do some coaches take the job of a cellar team because they are egotistical thinking they can turn a loser into a winner?
    Holmgren did the opposite of what all those motivational speakers tell you to do;
    Going from being a winner to a loser.
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    The Browns are the Cubs of the NFL.
    I wonder how much they cost?
    I'm guessing something like this:
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    He took the job for the same reason anyone would.....money $$$$ money $$$$ money.
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    He will end up coaching some other turd team like the Jags or Bucs....just watch.
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    OK
    But why?
    He was coaching Seattle.
    Didn't they get to a playoff game or two?
    Seems like job security.
    Why leave?
    Was the Browns the only team that had an opening for what Holmgren wanted?
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    I d't know his entire story, but it seems like the job in GreenBay made him some type of coaching legend in other teams eyes. Other teams didn't have the tools he had to work with when he was in GB. The browns are just a draft nightmare, turd ball team, I doubt Tony dungy could help them. I don't dislike holmgren, he was there for us.
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    People used to say it was all Holmgren that got Seattle to the SB....Even tho TT had his hand in ton of the players..

    Since TT has left how many playoff games have they been too?

    How many playoff games have Seahawks, and Browns been to since Mike was in charge?
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    ^ you just won a chicken dinner
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    Holmgren reach his level of incomptence at Seattle.
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    I don't think anyone can fix the Browns. They've been the in the basement of league since I've been around except for 2007 when they won 10 games.
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    Maybe they can convince Lucy to coach them!!! Charlie_brown_lucy_football.jpeg
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    I've been around since 1966.
    They have won 8 championsips.
    Last one was 2 years before I arrived on the scene. 1964.

    http://nfl-franchises.findthedata.o...ps-has-the-Cleveland-Browns-football-team-won

    They are just so darn bad that I can't help but feel bad for them.
    Saying they suck is just too harsh and too obvious.
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    Well, remember the Old, Winning Browns (TM) are now the Ravens and they did win a Super Bowl. The current Browns have been terrible pretty much since day one.

    Why? Partially bad luck. The times when they've had really high picks, those players have busted. Over and over again.

    Second, and this is why I can't understand a transition at President, is the constant churn. Staffs come and go and do quickly. Schemes go with them, and then the new management wants their guys on the field. Current guys get released for not fitting or because they didn't draft them, and then the whole thing repeats.
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    It's pretty simple. Holmgren wanted complete control of the football operation. The Packers wouldn't give it to him.

    Seattle gave him an 8 year contract as Executive VP, General Manager and Head Coach. So, yeah, it was ego and money. Getting away from Favre might have been a factor in the decision to some degree, which would have further played into the ego thing. After 4 years in Seattle he was relieved of the GM responsibilities.

    He won 5 division titles, a wild card and a SB berth in 9 seasons in Seattle...not too shabby.

    Cleveland got a new owner this past offseason, and rumors immediately circulated that Holmgren's on the bubble. Hiring Pat Shurmer and drafting McCoy and Weeden certainly didn't make for much of a track record. His rep as a guy with an eye for QB talent took a big hit. The Weeden pick had the smell of desperation...win right now or go home seemed to be the rationale.

    He's 64 years old. His track record as a front office guy is not good. He's a bit old to go back to coaching. Maybe a consulting gig is in the cards, otherwise he might be done.
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    Coach Holmgren = pretty good
    GM Holmgren = pretty bad

    You can call it ego, but most coaches would probably like to select their own players - especially if it wasn't much more work. The problem is that they are both full time jobs and a half. I don't mind that Holmgren or any other coach desires to wear both hats, but it's extremely difficult to do correctly. A smart coach pairs himself with a good GM espousing similar personnel values and is content with those complimentary roles.
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    Whatever his motivation was ... there was a precedent ... he came from San Francisco to Green Bay.

    I don't know that that is egotistical. That is what competitors do -- and the money didn't hurt neither. If I were a betting man, I'd say that it did indeed enter his mind that he could carve his name into the history books by turning the Packers around...there was precedent there too ... Vince Lombardi. Ron Wolf referred to Holmgren as "the girl with the curl" in his book, The Packer Way ... EVERY team in the market for head coach had Holmgren on the top of their wish list. I'd venture a guess that Wolf laid the same line on Holmgren that the two of them laid on Reggie White; and I paraphrase: "You'll be well regarded if you win somewhere else. HERE, you'll be a LEGEND."

    It took me a long time to forget Super Bowl 32 ... Seattle was already tampering with him prior to that Super Bowl...and I couldn't help but think that Holmgren was already checking out NorthWest real estate prices until the Pack blocked his exit for the '98 season. I just felt at the time that it was out of character for him.
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    Coaches have a shelf life, he is expired.
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    He is more than welcome to be a Packers owner and buy some shares next time it goes on sale :)
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    He has a golden key to the stadium, he doesnt need no stinking stock
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    Not just stock! Ownership! and its not stinky! who cares about a golden key! Rodgers is the key.
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    Are current coaches and staff eligible to purchase whenever it goes on sale?
    Cause if they do, I wonder how many have?
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    The 'new' Browns first draft pick, Tim Couch played for the Packers for like 8 seconds a few years back remember that?

    I loss all respect for Holmgren after that famous GB-SF playoff game where TO caught the touchdown pass right after Jerry Rice fumbled the ball. He didn't even leave SF with the team after that. He already knew he was out.
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    I remember that. Tim Couch he sucked.

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