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Gas Boycott

Discussion in 'The Atrium' started by Zero2Cool, Aug 30, 2005.

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    Here's an email I got. Kind of relates to some comments in another thread that I didn't wanna spam in so I made a new one. I found it interesting.
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    im a biker slick. not a driver. oil prices are outrageous. boycott sounds good i hope people follow through
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    I almost filled up a mobil instead i risked it on E just to avoid it an find a BP station


    **** them they are not getting a nickel from me if i can help it i have family and friends over there
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    It might be helpful to note that BP and Amoco merged some time ago so perhaps BP now also has foreign petroleum sources.
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    Definetely.


    As per the poster about BP and Amoco merge I will look into that. That's a great observation.
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    "BP Amoco Board Appointment " 1999?
    http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?cat ... Id=2001675

    "Doug Ford (55) is chief executive of BP Amoco's Refining and Marketing business, responsible for the company's downstream operations, including marketing, refining and transportation as well as aviation and marine fuels and BP Amoco Shipping.

    Prior to the merger of BP and Amoco, he had been an executive vice president of Amoco Corporation since July, 1993, with responsibility for Amoco's petroleum products sector and worldwide engineering and construction operations and, before that, president of Amoco Oil Company
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    http://www.stanford.edu/group/SICD/BPAmoco/bpamoco.html

    BP-Amoco merger and monopoly issues

    BP and Amoco merged in December 1998 to result in one of the three largest petroleum companies in the world. As a result of this monopoly concerns have come up. For instance BP-Amoco had to sell 18 gas stations in Columbia and 16 in Charleston to comply with antimonopoly regulations.

    While trying to merge with Atlantic Richfield Co, one of the largest oil producers in Alaska, BP came across the protest of Alaskan people, who claimed that such a merger would result in an unacceptable monopoly. Both BP and the state of Alaska for allowing the merger to proceed have been sued.
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    Here is a letter from USA Today of yesterday. This is good.

    Are gas prices really the problem?
    On a recent weekend, I stopped at a convenience store for gasoline. I paid $2.89 per gallon for premium grade. While the gas was pumping, I went inside and bought a Powerball ticket and a 20 oz. bottle of water for $1.40.

    The worst "bang for the buck" was the lotto ticket. It was, literally, not worth the paper it was printed on. The second worst value was the water because at the above mentioned price, it cost about $8.96 per gallon. Sadly, the $2.89 per gallon for gas was the best deal.

    We have turned into a nation of whiners and cry babies. Americans are outraged over the cost of gasoline, but we spend money on things we absolutely do not need and that do not improve the quality of our lives. Then we pay exorbitant prices for things we do need, such as water, either for the sake of convenience (a.k.a. laziness) or "coolness." I could have gotten water at home 10 minutes earlier for mere pennies.

    Some of us will pay outrageous prices for items such as designer jeans because someone has influenced our perception of what is "cool." We are so gullible that, based on our perception of reality at different times, bell-bottoms and leisure suits have been both cool and a joke.

    We do not spend money wisely. Then when money gets tight at the end of the month, we are outraged and blame the president, Congress and the oil companies for the price of gas. Maybe we should direct our anger where it belongs
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    That's an excellent article Packerchick...my only problem w/ the gas prices is the curious ways that the prices seem to fluctuate, but in reality, we pay half of what some of Europe pays, and if we rode our bikes more, used public transport, didn't live 20 miles from our jobs, or wouldn't purchase hummers to drive through the rigorous terrain of suburbia, then we wouldn't have much to piss and moan about right now.

    as for the water, an absolute joke. Bottled water is typically subject to equivalent, if not less stringent water standards than your tap, yet we pay $2 bucks for something we could get for free at the bubbler on the other side of the store?

    Anyone recall which company tried to extract some of their "pure artesian well water from the snowy canadian rockies" in Nekoosa a few years back?
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    I don't buy designer jeans, bottled water or lottery tickets and I still don't have money for gas!

    Also, I can't afford to live in the city where my job is so I have to live in the next suburb north so I have to drive 12 miles each way. And there is no public transportation south of my town. ;)

    So some of us just have to grin and bear it. We don't really use the car for more than getting to and from work either.
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    The more money I have to spend on gas the less money I can spend on buying movies, cd's, games, food, clothes, etc which means that hurts the economy. Who wants to drive around shopping when its gonna cost $10 to hit three stores? I surely don't want to. How bout the people who like to go joy riding in their trucks?

    I think gas prices effect more than meets the eye. But I've been up for eighteen hours and need sleep.
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    Gas prices in Denmark:
    1 Liter = 1,7$
    1 gallon = 6,4$

    Concerning the boycott, although I hate the idea that the western world is dependant on potential teorist nests, im not sure that there is enough oil outside the arabic countries to support the world.
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    Core...does gas typically run that rate throughout Europe (I'm assuming you converted the Euro to the US dollar w/ those prices)?

    I just saw online a figure that said that in Paris, gas was about 5.5/gallon (in U.S. dollars), and something like 4.50 in London...I assumed that the prices were fairly consistent throughout, but just checking.
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    We do not spend money wisely. Then when money gets tight at the end of the month, we are outraged and blame the president, Congress and the oil companies for the price of gas. Maybe we should direct our anger where it belongs
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    In Scandinavian the prices are similar at this high level and currently rising. Prices are generally lower the further south you get from here. (and yes, the price I listed is in U.S Dollars).

    My guess is that prices are generally alot higher here than in the States. Im pretty sure you guys dont pay 12 $ for a pack of cigarettes (Norway, highest price in Scandinavien)
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    muscy, some people have to live 20 or more miles away from their job. Our son just got a job about a month ago, but it is 30 miles away from his home. There was no work closer than that. My daughter's job relocated; so she now has to drive 30 miles one way to work. Both of these young adults live in the St. Paul/Minneapolis area; therefore bike riding is almost impossible. There is no bus line where either of them live; so that is out of the question. My son-in-law apprasies houses all over the area. Bike riding is out for him, too. I live in the country where we have lived for 32 years. Thankfully, I don't work, but riding a bike to the nearest grocery store is almost impossible for someone my age or my husband's age. Someone suggested we get a moped. Sounds like a great idea, but you need money to buy that and we are on a fixed income. Sorry about my ranting.
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    Question - Do Employment Agencies (Or Employers) make it a point to hire only people who live on the "other" side of town ...on purpose? Think about it.... I can't tell you how many people here at my Office are driving all the way from other regions around the big City of Indy, when we're a suburb that should be trying to hire local yokels and (in my mind) working to re-direct tax monies back to this community...

    As far as gas pricing - I've received (twice now) an email discussing a boycott slated to begin today... I think - it was in my MSN (SPAM) Email... but the idea leans towards EXXON as the real culprit in the gouging of gas prices we're seeing this month. And, no, I don't think Haliburton is the leader in this.... there have always been a lot more names on the list when it comes to Oil Companies and deals with the Middle East - meaning IRAN, SAUDI ARABIA, and all of the other Countries over there, like KUWAIT and TURKEY and now IRAQ -- what we're looking at, is a global game of RISK and the big money Utlra, ultra-rich elite-ists are the ones yanking everyone's pocket books at this point. By ultra-ultra.. I mean people who have access to untold billions, like Soros, Onassis, OPEC, and so on... There are really very very few people here in America who are gonna wave that kinda cash around inside the continental confines... trust me... the tax structure won't allow it - they all harbor their cash in the Islands... where the U.S. can't touch it...

    At any rate - the email speaks of boycotting EXXON primarily.. and all I need is a listing of which Companies are now affiliated with EXXON - I got no problem with buying gas from someone else... but I'll tell ya one thing... back in 1997, when I bought my Ford Ranger... the guys were all saying... why buy a tiny truck - go buy a man's truck ... now these SUV's are starting to be setup for sale along the side of the road..and I wouldn't give 'em $2,500 for those guzzlers... period! My truck now has over 150K on it and still runs like brand new...

    Anyone else reading that email....?
    I'll try to find the exact email and post a copy of it.. shortly.
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    I just filled up yesterday and it cost me $55 (Canadian) for my 50 litre tank which is about 11-12 US gallons I think. Gas is around $5 a gallon (Canadian) in Toronto righ now. Expressed as US dollars, it's closer to $6 a gallon. It's very interesting to me given our vast oil resources that the price of gas is still this high. Another example of tax gouging in this socialist paradise we call Canada.
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    Here we go -------

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    Subject: to lower gas prices... read this WHOLE letter... you'll see
    Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:04:19 -0500

    Join the resistance!!!!

    I hear we are going to hit close to $3.00 a gallon by the summer and it might go higher!! Want gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action. Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea:

    This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day" campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work.

    Please read it and join with us! By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently $2.79 for regular unleaded in my town. Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost! of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50- $1.75, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace....not sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.

    How?

    Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war.

    Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do!! Now, don't whimp out on me at this point...keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!

    I am sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers. If those three million get excited and ! pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!

    Again, all You have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all. (If you don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do is send this to 10 people.... Well, let's face it, you just aren't a mathematician. But I am ... so trust me on this one.)

    How long would all that take? If each of us sends this e-mail out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you! Acting together we can make a difference.

    If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK.

    Kerry Lyle, Director, Research Coordinator
    Interventional Cardiology Research Laboratories Division of Cardiovascular Diseases
    932 Ziegler Research Bldg
    703 South 19th Street University of Alabama @ B'ham
    Birmingham, Al 35294-0007
    Phone: (205) 934-6163

    ...PASS THIS ALONG !!!!

    ====================================

    As you can see - this is very much like the tactic tried last time around...
    Only this time, we're being just a bit more savvy about it...

    Can't hurt, I guess.... already, we're seeing a downturn in the fun-tivities that most people like to enjoy this time around... The Press, as always, will input their 'fav' flavor of whatever agenda.... But, this will cause a slight recession as we head into the NFL Season. IPBprez

    Again - We would need to see the Corporate structure of Companies which are beholdin' to EXXON and MOBIL - this isn't U.S. only - this is a global ENRON tactic, period....
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    carol...I understand that not everyone has the luxury of a job that permits them to walk/bike to work, or the health, or whatever the case may be. However, I am saying, that in a lot of instances, there are alternatives that ppl overlook. I'm a grad student on a campus notorious for being a commuter campus. I was the one who elected to get an apt. 4 miles away, and since gas is expensive, I elected to bike into work/school. Is it inconvenient at times, no doubt, but it's an example of a solution to my situation.

    I worked in downtown Madison for the DNR for a while, and originally lived about 15 miles from work. A few of my co-workers and I decided to move downtown, even though rent was a little higher because when I factored in the reduction in the gas I'd use both for work, and my commute to the grocery store and other place I needed to go, it was a wise choice.

    So again, I understand what you're saying, and I don't mean to give some "know it all, holier than thou, if I can do it, well then everyone should be able to" impression, but my point is that we do have choices - some w/ more substantial benefits than others - so instead of whinning about it (I'm in no way suggesting you are, I'm just referencing the general public) maybe we should look at some of the alternatives that we have control over.
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    Phil,

    What gives with the "xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" posts all the time? Is that Saudi Arabian for "keep sending us the money American dumba$$e$"?????
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    Imagine what George Carlin would say. Theres a guy who speaks sense.

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