Favre Comes Back to the Desperate, Desperate Vikings.

No ****, for someone that is SO SICK of Favre, I would think he could remember at least one of the three MVP's Favre had, or any of these achievements

11× Pro Bowl selection (1992, 1993, 1995, 1996, 1997, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2007, 2008, 2009)
3× First-team All-Pro selection (1995, 1996, 1997)
3× Second-team All-Pro selection (2001, 2002, 2007)
3× AP NFL MVP (1995–1997)
5× NFC Player of the Year (1995, 1996, 1997, 2002, 2007)
2× NFC Champion (1996, 1997)
Super Bowl champion (XXXI)
NFL 1990s All-Decade Team

OR... all the records he holds which are much more impressive than Bart Starrs like TD's (497) > Starrs (152), Yards (69,329) > Starrs (24,718), Completions (6,083) > Starrs (1,808), Completion Percentage (63%) > Starrs (57.4%), QB Rating (86.4) > Starrs (80.5%), Consecutive GP (and yes the int one as well, but gunslinging will do that for ya)...I forgot these accomplishments as well...

Consecutive starts as a quarterback: 285 (309 including playoffs)[6][103]
Consecutive starts as a position player: 285 (309 including playoffs)[104]
Career regular-season victories by a starting quarterback: 181 (Regular-season record: 181–104)[6]
Wins by a starting quarterback in one stadium: 90, Lambeau Field (including once as a Minnesota Viking)
Consecutive wins, regular season and playoffs, by a starting quarterback in one stadium: 29, Lambeau Field, 1995–1998
Consecutive wins, regular season, by a starting quarterback in one stadium: 25, Lambeau Field, 1995–1998
Wins by a starting quarterback against a single opponent: 27, Detroit Lions (18–0 in home games)
Completions, Attempts, Passing Yards, Touchdown Passes against a single opponent: Detroit Lions: 790 completions, 1,247 attempts, 9,219 passing yards, 60 touchdown passes
Career passing touchdowns: 497[105][106]
Career passing yards: 69,329[105]
Career pass completions: 6,083[6][107]
Career pass attempts: 9,811[5][6][108]
Career interceptions thrown: 317[105][109]
Career games with at least 1 touchdown pass: 241
Career games with at least 2 touchdown passes: 157
Career games with at least 3 touchdown passes: 71[51]
Career games with at least 4 touchdown passes: 23[110]
Career games with at least 200 passing yards: 202
(2nd) Career games with at least 300 passing yards: 61 (Dan Marino is 1st with 63)
One of 11 quarterbacks to throw a 99 yard TD pass (longest possible pass)
Touchdown passes of 80+ yards: 9
Touchdown passes of 70+ yards: 15
Touchdown passes of 20+ yards: 165
1 yard touchdown passes: 37
1 yard touchdown passes, passer/receiver combination: 8, Brett Favre/Bubba Franks
Career games with at least 30 completions: 24 (Peyton Manning is 2nd with 18)
Career games with at least 20 completions: 185 (Peyton Manning is 2nd with 138)
Completions in a game played on a Friday: 30; 12/24/2004
Seasons with at least 20 touchdown passes: 15
Seasons with at least 30 touchdown passes: 9
Consecutive seasons with at least 30 touchdown passes: 5
Seasons with at least 35 touchdown passes: 3
Consecutive seasons with at least 35 touchdown passes: 3
Seasons with at least 3,000 passing yards: 18
Consecutive seasons with at least 3,000 passing yards: 18
Seasons with at least 300 completions: 18
Consecutive seasons with at least 300 completions: 18
Brett Favre & Sterling Sharpe tied Dan Marino & Mark Clayton's record for most passer/receiver touchdown combinations in a season in 1994: 18-broken by Tom Brady and Randy Moss(23) in 2007.
(2nd) Consecutive games with a TD pass: 36 (Johnny Unitas, 47)
Most consecutive AP NFL MVP awards: 3 (1995–1997)[111]
Career playoff pass completions: 481[112]
Career playoff pass attempts: 791[112]
Career playoff passing yards: 5,855[112]
(2nd) Career playoff passing touchdowns: 44[112] (Montana, 45)[113]
Career playoff interceptions thrown: 30
Career playoff losses as starting QB: 11
(5th) Career playoff wins as starting QB: 13 (Joe Montana, 16; Tom Brady, 14; Terry Bradshaw, 14; John Elway, 14)
Games played by a starting quarterback against one opponent in a calendar year: 5 games against the Detroit Lions in 1994; 1/2/94(game 16 of the 1993 season), 1/8/94(playoff game), 11/6/94, 12/4/94, 12/31/94(playoff game)
Longest gap between receptions: 17 years & 4 weeks (275 games)
Favre is the only quarterback to have led a team to victory over all thirty-two teams in the league since the NFL first expanded to 32 franchises in 2002.[50][114]
Favre is one of four quarterbacks to lead the league in touchdown passes four times. The others are Johnny Unitas, Len Dawson and Steve Young.[115] In addition, Favre owns a number of team records, having printed his name into almost every passing category in the annals of Green Bay Packers history. Most recently, he set the team record for consecutive completions with 20 on November 22, 2007, against the Detroit Lions.[116]

Oh yeah, Starr did have 2 SB's, but #1 was considered a championship as well, so I didn't count that one but will give it to ya. Again, back then the competition is NOWHERE near the level that Favre has played with his ENTIRE career.

Well, QB's obviously are the leaders of any team, but I can't judge a QB's success rate or achievements based on SB's alone, plain and simple. A accomplishment such as a SB is done so by the entire team, not just the QB, just like how the guy bashing Favre in the previous post stated Favre couldn't have won the SB without REG, well Starr couldn't have done it without everyone else on the team, so that's that. Dan Marino is another great example, the guy was FANTASTIC, yet never was able to play on a SB winning team, does that make him less of a QB, I don't think so, not one bit. I would use the same argument with hockey and Stanley Cups, Phil Housley from South Saint Paul has not yet been inducted into the Official HHOF because he hasn't been on a SC winning team, and in my opinion, that's BS. Phil has scored more points than any other American Born Defencemen, and not only that, but he had more points than ANY American born forward even up until Mike Modano finally broke that record, very very impressive, yet no credit because of some TEAM accomplishment..

I added those, but they are in the lengthy accomplishment list, you will find them there if you look. Also, Favre's numbers regarding INT/Fumbles were virtually non-existent last year, so they haven't been one of my concerns with Favre, unlike his health and the health of his starting weapons (Rice, Harvin, Shaincoe)...

Maybe because wins/losses are ALWAYS two-sided arguments, and have you ever thought that some people like playing devils advocate? That's how you spark conversation allot of times, same goes for politics, religion, etc. It's actually better to be able to argue both sides of issues/arguments/etc than it is to be thick-headed and/or close-minded, it's an attribute man, not a weakness....

Only a viking fan would be more impressed with favres personal stats than starrs 5 championships.

Great wikipedia copy and paste job.

Dont count championships? So anything Pre Superbowl doesnt count? Wow, ignorance.

Starr lead the league in passer rating 5 times. Wanna check to see how many times Brett has? Dont worry I already did, its 0. Best record in the post season for a QB? Starr. Best career passer rating in the postseason? Starr. So wrap your head around that fact that it was 1974 before major rule changes took affect that changed what a defender could do. Today is the golden age of passers, yet no one can touch Starr in the post season. So if your into winning championships Starr is head and shoulders above Favre. But then again your a Viking fan so your not into that kind of thing. More like the choking kind of thing.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoJ_K4Mlt4w]YouTube - Vikings fans reaction to Favre interception vs Saints[/ame]

oh what the hell why not throw this in too...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-3DDFGvnII&feature=related]YouTube - NFL Top 10 Foul-Ups: Gary Anderson's Miss[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IBkQoXNvbA]YouTube - Wrong Way[/ame]

Yeah, Starr won 5 freaking Championships!! That's something and goes a long way. Also Starr's stats are lower cause they didn't play 16 game seasons in the 60s. Starr's completion % is lower cause defensive backs could basically maul receivers back then as well. It's amazing Starr's % is as high as it is. Check his playoff completion %, it's the highest ever even today.

Today it's a league where you can't even freaking touch the receiver after 5 yards. No **** Farve's stats are going to reflect the pass happy league now. Doesn't prove a thing about who was the better QB. Like comparing apples to oranges.

I would say the best QB is the one that fits into the system the best and gives his team the greatest chance at winning. In that case I think Starr/Montana/Manning/Aikman/ have a big advantage over Farve in that case. Starr played within the system and didn't try to play outside of it. Lombardi would have something to say if he tried. Farve has always improvised and played the game his way and took a hell of a lot of chances with the ball in critical situations. I would say idiotic chances with the ball. Which is why he and his head coaches haven't always gotten along very well. Unless your Sherman or Childress and basically do whatever Farve wants you to do. Holmgren really had to keep Farve on a tight leash to even win one SB with him.

Yeah, Farve is supremely talented and holds a gazillion records that's a fact, but his gun slinging mental mistakes and improvising out of the scheme have caused terrible turnovers/mistakes and takes him out of being considered the best GB QB I believe.

The question we have to ask ourselves, if we had a Bart Starr or a Brett Farve that were equally educated with equal time learning the offense who would you want to go into the Championship game running the show? Back in the 90s, early 2000 I would have picked Farve. Dude was a freak with some amazing ability for sure. But after seeing him fail so miserably and stupidly in big games, I would choose Bart Starr now. Granted Starr wouldn't be as flashy or durable as Farve, but he could make plays too. I think Starr might just give the Packers a better chance at winning those game since he probably would have avoided the back breaking mental mistakes that Farve did.

Not to mention Farve threw the Packers under the bus and the fans which makes him a Viking QB now as far as I am concerned. So I don't even consider him a Packer anymore. So the best Packer QB in history is back to Starr for me.

JEsus, it's like talking to a brick wall on these boards...all of you guys used to defend this guy while he was playing for your team, now you can sit here and tear into him with absolutely no respect, and you all call BF a trader....take a look in the mirror...so pathetic it's not even funny...

And to the wiki comment, GREAT place to gather some quick facts...I am not going to waste a butt load of time going from one site to another when everything I need it on easily readable page...kapeesh?

Mini,

You are now learning what true Packer fans feel. These people were fans long before Favre came along, Unlike the BRett Favre fans who only know Brett Favre, Packer fans know football, history, tradition, and have a healthy respect for it all. Its too bad that your team couldn't win a championship. If it did, you would know what that is all about.

Having said that, Favre was great when he played for the Pack. Not so m,uch because he no longer does. That is how life works.

I think you meant "traitor" and not trader, right? (Not getting on your case on any spelling errors. Just wanting to clarify.)
If that's what you meant then by that logic George Washington and anyone else who hated Benedict Arnold when he switched over to the British, would also be called traitors.

In other words: You think we are somehow being hypocrites.
I don't see how Burnt switching sides is making any of us hypocritical. We can choose who to love and who to hate just like you can.
That's not being a traitor or a hypocrite. You need to look those words up.
(They have online dictionaries, even Websters now. Google is your friend.)

If Burnt had either stayed in Green Bay or even with the Jets then we wouldn't have had a problem with him or feel this frustrated. (I have my own issues with him being a flip flopping waffle head. I hate it when people are unreliable.)
But since he chose to go to a rival team, it just makes it that much easier to hate him.
He lied when he said it wasn't about revenge. If it's not about revenge, then why not stay with the Jets or go to any of the other teams in the league but the Vikes.

And yet, I doubt that you were this passionate or defensive of Brent when he played for the Pack.
I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that, if you were a Vikes fan when he played in playoff games for the Pack, that you loved seeing him fail. Maybe you even did a little dance or laughed when he blew it every time for the Pack either in a crucial regular season game or in playoffs such as the 08 Packers/Giants game.

I get it that you love Brett Favre. I don't blame you. I don't have a problem with that.
But you seem to have a problem with us Packers fans no longer liking or being a fan of Brett.
What's up with that?
Why don't ya just let it go man?
You should realize that no matter how much you drill it into us, it's not going to change any of our minds.
Especially my stubborn one.
(Unless your just here to brag.)

Look. We recognize and appreciate the Packer Brett. We can admire his accomplishments but only when he was a Packer. (And for some, also when he was a Jet.)
We don't appreciate or acknowledge the Viking Brett accomplishments.
With Aaron Rodgers now at the helm, Favre to many of us is now ancient history.

BTW: I admit. I love your sig. "Bring it..." Nice. It fits you.

Why thank you. :blush:

Coming from you, that means a lot.

Actually, though he does not qualify for neither, the QB with best Regular Season and Postseason ratings of all time is Aaron Rodgers.

So, nothing about those points made about Starr?

I am not so sure about your "if you won a championship" statement. I am just as big of a baseball/hockey fan as football, and since the Twins are my team (and who have won 2 world series's), I just don't feel the way you assume I would. I was a Detroit Redwings fan after the North Stars left, and since they had won various stanley cup's, I had no problem becoming a Wild fan from day one when they became an expansion team in MN. I don't think the Vikes not winning a Championship (or Super Bowl as of present term) would make me think differently, it hasn't done so with baseball and/or hockey, so yeah...

I did mean traitor, and although I noticed that after posting it, the boards were slow while I tried to edit it and just said F'it, people will know what I mean. It's funny though you bring up Mr. Washington, that was way too long ago for me to use as a defense in making a point, but I will respond and say anyone has the right to hate him, but it rare to see people on here admit the love and PERSONAL CHOICE to hate him versus the owner/gm/etc for not giving him what he wanted. Did anyone ever say no to Montana? Sure, and he ended up in KC with nowhere near the anger/selfishness/etc that GB fans have exposed themselves too, not even close. The funny thing is that if you want to use SB's as a reason to love QB's, Joe won more than 1 with SF, yet MANY MANY fans of both Joe and the 9'ers remained loyal because of the person he was and how much excitement he gave the fans. So what if Favre struggled in the playoffs with the Pack, he was a main factor in the only superbowl you have within the last 42 yrs for crying out loud.

In the end I see where your coming from and wish more GB fans would have that same approach, and maybe they do it's just that they don't publicly express it? Even on the boards of their own team? I would think Chicago would be a far worse place than MN for Brett to go, isn't the Bears the Packers biggest rivals? Why do you think the Vikes are? I don't get it......

Ok, why is it that nobody gave Starr the #1 label while Brett was booming in GB? I never heard it, and I have allot of GB buddies! Then once BF leaves, it becomes Brett who? Bart Fart? Or whatever ridiculous childish names you guys can come up with....

So what makes Starr any more qualified NOW since Brett left the Pack versus while Brett is now with another team? Those last few years with GB were rough (although you made it to the playoffs both times with Favre), yet you never were whining about Starr this Starr that, then all of a sudden immediately after he parted ways because of management and/or ownership, it's all Brett's fault and he is no longer the best QB ever to play for the Packers. I never once heard someone say Starr was better than Brett pre-dispute time? Why so? What changed? Starr hadn't done anything more at that time obviously to earn anything, and Brett has only bettered his records and made his accomplishments more impressive! Aaron Rodgers? Seriously? You shouldn't even come close to comparing accomplishments of a guy that has started a couple years to people that are HOF'ers, that's just wrong man...

It's one story about Brett while he is there in GB, everyone loves him in every way possible, then the next second when he leaves Starr is the best QB ever and BF is nothing but a pile of ****, that's my point, and Vikes fans are called bandwagon? I bet if Rodgers were to blow ***, the Favre hatred thing would have been a bit less dramatic and heartbreaking for you'all....but denying that is a given knowing how most GB fans roll....:haha:

One thing that really annoys me is when someone compares Joe Montana's situation with Favre's. The Chiefs and 49ers are NOT rivals, not only do they not play in the same division, they aren't even in the same conference! I'm not certain if Montana even played against the 49ers during his time with the Chiefs, but Favre has already played the Packers twice, including returning to the scene of some of his greatest triumphs, wearing the colors of the Packers greatest rivals! The sight of him sporting the colors of the team I hate above all others, still sickens me. The cavalier manner in which he dismissed sixteen years of devotion, by stating that "real Packers fans would understand" his treachery still rankles. Perhaps in the distant future I'll be able to look back and appreciate the time he spent wearing the Green and Gold, but for now I can't stand the man.

So your argument is something that you can't pinpoint on NOONE in here (please quote me saying that Favre was better than Starr. Please quote any Packers fans claiming that). And not only that, your argument is something that happened in the past? NOW it's valid?

You still haven't debated the fact that Starr played better, had more titles and more awards than Favre. And that, even if you, somehow, disconsider the non-SB titles, he still has 1 more SB and 2 more SB MVPs than Favre...

Brett LEFT the Packers and is no longer a Packer. I and most of those on this board are Packer fans. Whether Brett is with the Packers or not, we are going to root for the Packers. Anyone who doesn't is an enemy. Is this not true in Minnesota as well?

Those who follow Favre to root for the Vikes are Favre fans. Packers were around long before Favre and are thriving without him.

STARR never LEFT the Packers to go play for a different team. That puts him in a different level. He may have been as good as Favre and vice versa as arguments go but When you see that Starr never waffled, never left his team and never sold out, he rises above Favre as a man of Character.

Thus, the QB that Favre helped forget now is reborn by Favre's disfavorable action.