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  1. SELECT cache_value
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    WHERE permission_combination_id = ?
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  2. SELECT thread.*
    	,
    		user.gender, user.avatar_date, user.gravatar,
    		NULL AS thread_read_date,
    		0 AS thread_is_watched,
    		'' AS draft_message, NULL AS draft_extra
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    		LEFT JOIN xf_user AS user ON
    			(user.user_id = thread.user_id)
    WHERE thread.thread_id = ?
    Params: 34867
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    Select TypeTableTypePossible KeysKeyKey LenRefRowsExtra
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    SIMPLEuserconstPRIMARYPRIMARY4const1 
  3. SELECT node.*, forum.*
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    	permission.cache_value AS node_permission_cache,
    		NULL AS forum_read_date
    FROM xf_forum AS forum
    INNER JOIN xf_node AS node ON (node.node_id = forum.node_id)
    
    	LEFT JOIN xf_permission_cache_content AS permission
    		ON (permission.permission_combination_id = 1
    			AND permission.content_type = 'node'
    			AND permission.content_id = forum.node_id)
    WHERE node.node_id = ?
    Params: 22
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    Select TypeTableTypePossible KeysKeyKey LenRefRowsExtra
    SIMPLEforumconstPRIMARYPRIMARY4const1 
    SIMPLEnodeconstPRIMARYPRIMARY4const1 
    SIMPLEpermissionconstPRIMARYPRIMARY35const,const,const1 
  4. SELECT post.*
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    		bb_code_parse_cache.parse_tree AS message_parsed, bb_code_parse_cache.cache_version AS message_cache_version,
    		user.*, IF(user.username IS NULL, post.username, user.username) AS username,
    		user_profile.*,
    		signature_parse_cache.parse_tree AS signature_parsed, bb_code_parse_cache.cache_version AS signature_cache_version,
    		0 AS like_date, session.view_date
    		,(select sum(count_received) from dark_postrating_count where user_id = post.user_id and rating in (1,2,4,5,6,7,8,10)) as positive_rating_count
    	
    		,(select sum(count_received) from dark_postrating_count where user_id = post.user_id and rating in (14,11,12,13)) as negative_rating_count
    	
    		,(select sum(count_received) from dark_postrating_count where user_id = post.user_id and rating in (3,9)) as neutral_rating_count
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    pr2.rating, 
    	pr.*, post.post_id
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    		LEFT JOIN xf_bb_code_parse_cache AS bb_code_parse_cache ON
    			(bb_code_parse_cache.content_type = 'post' AND bb_code_parse_cache.content_id = post.post_id)
    		LEFT JOIN xf_user AS user ON
    			(user.user_id = post.user_id)
    		LEFT JOIN xf_user_profile AS user_profile ON
    			(user_profile.user_id = post.user_id)
    		LEFT JOIN xf_bb_code_parse_cache AS signature_parse_cache ON
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    LEFT JOIN (
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    , sum(case when pivot_pr.rating = 7 then 1 else 0 end) dark_postrating_7_count
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    , sum(case when pivot_pr.rating = 13 then 1 else 0 end) dark_postrating_13_count
    
    		
    from dark_postrating pivot_pr 
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    left join xf_post pivot_post on (pivot_pr.post_id = pivot_post.post_id)
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    group by pivot_pr.post_id
    ) pr on (pr.post_id = post.post_id)
    
    
    WHERE post.thread_id = ?
    	 AND (post.position >= 0 AND post.position < 25) 
    	AND (post.message_state IN ('visible'))
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    Select TypeTableTypePossible KeysKeyKey LenRefRowsExtra
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    PRIMARYbb_code_parse_cacheeq_refcontent_type_idcontent_type_id31const,packerfo_maindb.post.post_id1 
    PRIMARYusereq_refPRIMARYPRIMARY4packerfo_maindb.post.user_id1 
    PRIMARYuser_profileeq_refPRIMARYPRIMARY4packerfo_maindb.post.user_id1 
    PRIMARYsignature_parse_cacheeq_refcontent_type_idcontent_type_id31const,packerfo_maindb.post.user_id1 
    PRIMARYsessionALLPRIMARY   122 
    PRIMARYpr2eq_refpost_id_user_id,post_id_rating,user_id_ratingpost_id_user_id8packerfo_maindb.post.post_id,const1 
    PRIMARY<derived5>ALL    1 
    DERIVEDpivot_postrefPRIMARY,thread_id_post_date,thread_id_positionthread_id_position4 29Using where; Using index; Using temporary; Using filesort
    DERIVEDpivot_prrefpost_id_ratingpost_id_rating4packerfo_maindb.pivot_post.post_id2Using index
    DEPENDENT SUBQUERYdark_postrating_countrefuser_id_ratinguser_id_rating4packerfo_maindb.post.user_id4Using where
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  5. INSERT DELAYED INTO xf_thread_view
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    VALUES
    	(?)
    Params: 34867
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  6. UPDATE xf_session_activity
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    WHERE ip = ? AND user_id = 0
    Params: K
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  7. UPDATE xf_thread SET hot_count = hot_count + 1 WHERE thread_id = 34867
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  8. SELECT thread.*
    	
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    WHERE thread.thread_id = ?
    Params: 34867
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  9. SELECT node.*, forum.*
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    INNER JOIN xf_node AS node ON (node.node_id = forum.node_id)
    
    	LEFT JOIN xf_permission_cache_content AS permission
    		ON (permission.permission_combination_id = 1
    			AND permission.content_type = 'node'
    			AND permission.content_id = forum.node_id)
    WHERE node.node_id = ?
    Params: 22
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    SIMPLEnodeconstPRIMARYPRIMARY4const1 
    SIMPLEpermissionconstPRIMARYPRIMARY35const,const,const1 
  10. SELECT *
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    WHERE user_id = ?
    	AND thread_id = ?
    Params: 0, 34867
    Run Time: 0.000122
    Select TypeTableTypePossible KeysKeyKey LenRefRowsExtra
    SIMPLExf_ignore_threadrefuser_threaduser_thread8const,const1 
  11. SELECT view_count
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    WHERE ip = ? AND user_id = 0
    Params: K
    Run Time: 0.000186
    Select TypeTableTypePossible KeysKeyKey LenRefRowsExtra
    SIMPLExf_session_activityALLPRIMARY   122Using where
  12. INSERT INTO xf_session_activity
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    VALUES
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    	params = VALUES(params),
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  13. SELECT title, phrase_text
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    	AND title IN ('Tickets', 'Schedule', 'Draft')
    Params: 1
    Run Time: 0.000115
    Select TypeTableTypePossible KeysKeyKey LenRefRowsExtra
    SIMPLExf_phrase_compiledrangePRIMARYPRIMARY106 3Using where
  14. SELECT title, phrase_text
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    WHERE language_id = ?
    	AND title IN ('offline')
    Params: 1
    Run Time: 0.000108
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  15. INSERT INTO xf_bb_code_parse_cache
    	(content_type, content_id, parse_tree, cache_version, cache_date)
    VALUES (?, ?, ?, ?, ?)
    ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE parse_tree = VALUES(parse_tree),
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    Params: post, 432393, a:1:{i:0;s:70:"Still think that Rogers, Brees and Brady are better than Eli? No way.";}, 1406210135, 1409480073
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  16. INSERT INTO xf_bb_code_parse_cache
    	(content_type, content_id, parse_tree, cache_version, cache_date)
    VALUES (?, ?, ?, ?, ?)
    ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE parse_tree = VALUES(parse_tree),
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    Params: post, 432395, a:1:{i:0;s:75:"Yes, I think they are still better than Eli. Eli is top 10 for sure though.";}, 1406210135, 1409480073
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  17. INSERT INTO xf_bb_code_parse_cache
    	(content_type, content_id, parse_tree, cache_version, cache_date)
    VALUES (?, ?, ?, ?, ?)
    ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE parse_tree = VALUES(parse_tree),
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    Params: post, 432396, a:2:{i:0;a:4:{s:3:"tag";s:5:"quote";s:6:"option";s:31:"NYG, post: 432393, member: 5994";s:8:"original";a:2:{i:0;s:41:"[quote="NYG, post: 432393, member: 5994"]";i:1;s:8:"[/quote]";}s:8:"children";a:1:{i:0;s:69:"Still think that Rogers, Brees and Brady are better than Eli? No way.";}}i:1;s:395:" pretty awesome that you are hopping on a green bay message board after your team wins the Super Bowl. I never get on other team's message boards because I think it is pathetic and sad, but this would be the equivalent of packer fans going on the Eagles, Falcons, and Bears messages boards last year, right after they beat the Steelers. Doesn't make sense. Tight life though man. Carry on bro.";}, 1406210135, 1409480073
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  18. INSERT INTO xf_bb_code_parse_cache
    	(content_type, content_id, parse_tree, cache_version, cache_date)
    VALUES (?, ?, ?, ?, ?)
    ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE parse_tree = VALUES(parse_tree),
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    Params: post, 432397, a:1:{i:0;s:147:"I often give Eli credit. I don't get why this elite thing is so important to Giants fans. It's like Pats fans and their obsession with Joe Montana.";}, 1406210135, 1409480073
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  19. INSERT INTO xf_bb_code_parse_cache
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    VALUES (?, ?, ?, ?, ?)
    ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE parse_tree = VALUES(parse_tree),
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    Params: post, 432400, a:2:{i:0;a:4:{s:3:"tag";s:5:"quote";s:6:"option";s:31:"NYG, post: 432393, member: 5994";s:8:"original";a:2:{i:0;s:41:"[quote="NYG, post: 432393, member: 5994"]";i:1;s:8:"[/quote]";}s:8:"children";a:1:{i:0;s:69:"Still think that Rogers, Brees and Brady are better than Eli? No way.";}}i:1;s:262:" Do I think Eli deserves to be called Elite now? Yes. Do I think he is better than Rodgers? No. It's one season my friend. Rodgers played lights out almost all of last season and most of this season. We'll see how things shake out come next September.";}, 1406210135, 1409480073
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    Params: post, 432405, a:1:{i:0;s:537:"You can argue he's better than Brees b/c he can't win away playoff games. Brady has 3 rings and Hall of Fame credentials throughout his career. Rodgers is the best QB this season and had a playoff run similar as the #6 seed not a #4 seed like the Giants this year. Rodgers and the Packers team as a whole disappointed in the playoffs this year but that happens to every elite QB and team. We'll bounce back. So yeah, Eli is a top 5 possibly top 4 but nothing more than that. Skillset alone, he's not better than Peyton, Brady or Rodgers.";}, 1406210135, 1409480073
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  22. INSERT INTO xf_bb_code_parse_cache
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    VALUES (?, ?, ?, ?, ?)
    ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE parse_tree = VALUES(parse_tree),
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    Params: post, 432416, a:2:{i:0;a:4:{s:3:"tag";s:5:"quote";s:6:"option";s:31:"NYG, post: 432393, member: 5994";s:8:"original";a:2:{i:0;s:41:"[quote="NYG, post: 432393, member: 5994"]";i:1;s:8:"[/quote]";}s:8:"children";a:1:{i:0;s:69:"Still think that Rogers, Brees and Brady are better than Eli? No way.";}}i:1;s:178:" Yes. By a mile. Eli goes on streaks, but he's too inconsistent to be considered "Elite." By the way, why are you still here gloating? Don't you have your own forum to go to?";}, 1406210135, 1409480073
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    	(content_type, content_id, parse_tree, cache_version, cache_date)
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    ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE parse_tree = VALUES(parse_tree),
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    Params: post, 432429, a:2:{i:0;a:4:{s:3:"tag";s:5:"quote";s:6:"option";s:31:"NYG, post: 432393, member: 5994";s:8:"original";a:2:{i:0;s:41:"[quote="NYG, post: 432393, member: 5994"]";i:1;s:8:"[/quote]";}s:8:"children";a:1:{i:0;s:69:"Still think that Rogers, Brees and Brady are better than Eli? No way.";}}i:1;s:36:" this isnt a Patriots forum boner.";}, 1406210135, 1409480073
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  24. INSERT INTO xf_bb_code_parse_cache
    	(content_type, content_id, parse_tree, cache_version, cache_date)
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    Params: post, 432475, a:1:{i:0;s:446:"The Packers and Giants almost certainly have a rematch set for kickoff Thursday. The Giants fans should take some time off and come back before then. It doesn't matter if Eli is a top 5 QB or whatever it takes to be "elite" from a modern perspective; two Super bowl wins makes him elite from a historical perspective. Especially when you consider he now has two game winning TD drives. That's pretty special and you guys should enjoy it in NYC.";}, 1406210135, 1409480073
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    Params: post, 432478, a:1:{i:0;s:338:"While I don't care much for titles and wouldn't say Eli comes close to any of those three on a consistant basis, he is however a big game QB playing on a team built to win on the road in big games. I have always liked the Giants and Eli, picked them to win the SB, and I am very happy they grabbed another one of Brady's rings last night.";}, 1406210135, 1409480073
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  26. INSERT INTO xf_bb_code_parse_cache
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    Params: post, 432533, a:1:{i:0;s:263:"Eli has had his best seasons when his defense decides to play. He's won both superbowls when their defense has had an elite pass rush. Rodgers, Brady and Brees all succeed in spite of their defense. Eli is basically is the same category as Ben Reothlisberger.";}, 1406210135, 1409480073
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  27. INSERT INTO xf_bb_code_parse_cache
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    Params: post, 432624, a:1:{i:0;s:63:"I think Giants fans should go back to New Jersey for a while...";}, 1406210135, 1409480073
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  28. INSERT INTO xf_bb_code_parse_cache
    	(content_type, content_id, parse_tree, cache_version, cache_date)
    VALUES (?, ?, ?, ?, ?)
    ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE parse_tree = VALUES(parse_tree),
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    Params: post, 432649, a:2:{i:0;a:4:{s:3:"tag";s:5:"quote";s:6:"option";s:36:"Southpaw, post: 432533, member: 5186";s:8:"original";a:2:{i:0;s:46:"[quote="Southpaw, post: 432533, member: 5186"]";i:1;s:8:"[/quote]";}s:8:"children";a:3:{i:0;s:137:"Eli has had his best seasons when his defense decides to play. He's won both superbowls when their defense has had an elite pass rush. ";i:1;a:4:{s:3:"tag";s:1:"b";s:6:"option";N;s:8:"original";a:2:{i:0;s:3:"[B]";i:1;s:4:"[/B]";}s:8:"children";a:1:{i:0;s:63:"Rodgers, Brady and Brees all succeed in spite of their defense.";}}i:2;s:63:" Eli is basically is the same category as Ben Reothlisberger.";}}i:1;s:611:" Which one of those won the Super bowl this year? Oh yeah....Last year the Packers had a defense that certainly made a difference during the playoffs. And Brady, well he won his last Super bowl, what, 6 years ago. And his defense's since then? Nothing. Brady, since he became the starter he has played in 17 playoff games not including the Super Bowls. Of those he has played 5 on the road and is 3-2 in those games. Note that Manning has won more on the road in two years of playoffs on the road. But he's not considered elite. I am curious. Just what does a QB need to do be considered elite?";}, 1406210135, 1409480073
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  29. INSERT INTO xf_bb_code_parse_cache
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    Params: post, 432662, a:2:{i:0;a:4:{s:3:"tag";s:5:"quote";s:6:"option";s:36:"Raptorman, post: 432649, member: 655";s:8:"original";a:2:{i:0;s:46:"[quote="Raptorman, post: 432649, member: 655"]";i:1;s:8:"[/quote]";}s:8:"children";a:1:{i:0;s:597:"Which one of those won the Super bowl this year? Oh yeah....Last year the Packers had a defense that certainly made a difference during the playoffs. And Brady, well he won his last Super bowl, what, 6 years ago. And his defense's since then? Nothing. Brady, since he became the starter he has played in 17 playoff games not including the Super Bowls. Of those he has played 5 on the road and is 3-2 in those games. Note that Manning has won more on the road in two years of playoffs on the road. But he's not considered elite. I am curious. Just what does a QB need to do be considered elite?";}}i:1;s:139:" You tell me. Does Eli's 2 all-pro seasons with 2 rings make him elite even though he's had at least as many mediocre years if not more?";}, 1406210135, 1409480073
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