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This is exactly what I mean about the lack football acumen, nothing personal but please read on...


I agree with your second point, but your first point is proven wrong by statistics (below). For the stats below, I did not include the Lions or Steelers games in which he partially played, because I don't have time to break down the statistics by quarter:


Packers D - First 3 Weeks with Matthews

Opp 3rd Down Conv: 40%

Opp 4th Down Conv: 67%

Opp Completion %: 68%

Opp Passing Yards per game: 313 yards

Opp Rushing Yards per attempt: 3.7 yards

Sacks Per Game caused by Packers D: 2.3 sacks

Turnovers Per Game caused by Packers D: 1.7 turnovers (fumbles & int's)


You mean to tell me that in the first 3 weeks of the season when we played 2 playoff bound teams, completely sold out to stop 2 running quarterbacks, and one of the quarterbacks had what is by far and away the best passing day of his career, that our defense looks worse because of inflated passing stats? The news is shocking to me.


Did you completely forget why we got torched in the passing game the first 3 weeks? It is because we sold out against the run which not surprisingly coincides with us being one of the best rushing defenses in the league, who would of thunk it?


Packers D - Middle 4 Weeks without Matthews

Opp 3rd Down Conv: 31%

Opp 4th Down Conv: 50%

Opp Completion %: 53%

Opp Passing Yards per game: 212 yards

Opp Rushing Yards per attempt: 4.25 yards

Sacks Per Game caused by Packers D: 3.0 sacks

Turnovers Per Game caused by Packers D: 0.5 turnovers (fumbles & int's)


Detroit - no Calvin Johnson in this game making their passing game inefective

Cleveland - lol

Baltimore - 20 million a year QB? LMAO, never was, never will be

Minnesota - need I say more


So your focus group of playing 2 pathetic, horribly bad teams, 1 team that is really bad and missing its top weapon, and one team who has a QB that is not worth half of what he is being paid, is a large enough sample size to say "hey no Matthews and we were awesome against some completely sorry teams without him!"


Yes we were much better against the pass without Matthews against some really bad teams when we were not selling out against the run, that deserves a golf clap. Notice how the run defense got worse when we stopped selling out against the run?


Packers D - Last 6 Weeks with Matthews

Opp 3rd Down Conv: 41%

Opp 4th Down Conv: 67%

Opp Completion %: 64%

Opp Passing Yards per game: 256 yards

Opp Rushing Yards per attempt: 5.2 yards

Sacks Per Game caused by Packers D: 3.0 sacks

Turnovers Per Game caused by Packers D: 1.8 turnovers (fumbles & int's)


Our defense has been horrible after a multitude of injuries, clay with a club on his hand for two weeks and a cast the rest & the loss of Aaron Rodgers? Really? Again, I am shocked, shocked I tell you! When are people going to start to understand that an inept offense makes a defense look much worse than they are? Look at the Eagles, great offense, one of the best, but they are not on the field very much which turns their defense into one of the worst in the league. The packers during this time are just like the Eagles offense, a lot of 2 minute drives and off the field but the difference is until the last few games they were not scoring points.


You see what I am getting at here? I can take a player (the loss of Rodgers) and point out why the defense has been worse, just like you trying to point out that the defense is worse because clay is on the field. It is preposterous to truly claim that either of them is the cause when there are a multitude of factors contributing to the porous defense.


Essentially, the defense played better (opponent aside) during Clay Matthews' absence except that their rushing defense continued to got worse and continued to get worse after he returned, and we got less turnovers while he was gone. Otherwise, most of the main statistics point to the defense playing better without Matthews.


That is the problem, "opponent aside" and the situation is what you are completely ignoring to try and support any completely ridiculous theory that the defense is better without Matthews on the field. You can point to stats all day long to support a theory, however if you don't take into account the situation as well, you are not in any way analyzing the situation correctly.


I am sorry, but claiming the defense is better without Matthews is the very definition of an armchair coach, there is not a single offensive coordinator in the league that would tell you that they would rather play the Packers with Clay Matthew than without him.
 

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Too bad that you misread my post Ogsponge, nothing personal but please read on. I never said that the defense was better because Clay Matthews was not on the field. Others may have, but I merely presented the facts - which is that the defense had better statistics for the most part when Clay was not on the field. I understand your anger and frustration, but it is clearly misguided.
 

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Too bad that you misread my post Ogsponge, nothing personal but please read on. I never said that the defense was better because Clay Matthews was not on the field. Others may have, but I merely presented the facts - which is that the defense had better statistics for the most part when Clay was not on the field. I understand your anger and frustration, but it is clearly misguided.

ya, I do apologize, I have been rather irritable with everyone today, rough day at work so far! So, I do apolgize for being rather ****ish and condescending towards you. :oops:
 

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I agree with your second point, but your first point is proven wrong by statistics (below). For the stats below, I did not include the Lions or Steelers games in which he partially played, because I don't have time to break down the statistics by quarter:

Packers D - First 3 Weeks with Matthews
Opp 3rd Down Conv: 40%
Opp 4th Down Conv: 67%
Opp Completion %: 68%
Opp Passing Yards per game: 313 yards
Opp Rushing Yards per attempt: 3.7 yards
Sacks Per Game caused by Packers D: 2.3 sacks
Turnovers Per Game caused by Packers D: 1.7 turnovers (fumbles & int's)

Packers D - Middle 4 Weeks without Matthews
Opp 3rd Down Conv: 31%
Opp 4th Down Conv: 50%
Opp Completion %: 53%
Opp Passing Yards per game: 212 yards
Opp Rushing Yards per attempt: 4.25 yards
Sacks Per Game caused by Packers D: 3.0 sacks
Turnovers Per Game caused by Packers D: 0.5 turnovers (fumbles & int's)

Packers D - Last 6 Weeks with Matthews
Opp 3rd Down Conv: 41%
Opp 4th Down Conv: 67%
Opp Completion %: 64%
Opp Passing Yards per game: 256 yards
Opp Rushing Yards per attempt: 5.2 yards
Sacks Per Game caused by Packers D: 3.0 sacks
Turnovers Per Game caused by Packers D: 1.8 turnovers (fumbles & int's)

Essentially, the defense played better (opponent aside) during Clay Matthews' absence except that their rushing defense continued to got worse and continued to get worse after he returned, and we got less turnovers while he was gone. Otherwise, most of the main statistics point to the defense playing better without Matthews.
Good work. I'd like to party with you. You seem to have a lot of free time.:D
 
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Perfect ending for the season for cm3... lack of overall production pre-injury, gets injured and out for a while, comes back and still not much production, gets re-injured and out for the last game and a half. wow......

I know I will get some "disagree" X's on this, but I could care less....... His output this season sure as hell didn't reflect that massive pay raise he got. There were DOZENS of guys with less of a name that got a hell of a lot more sacks/pressures/hits etc..... Just seems that he got slower and weaker. Been focusing on him and he seems to have lost the hand battles he used to win and his footwork has been slow and sloppy, no more explosive moves coming off the snap. He get man handled by the average LT's.
I wish Clay was playing instead of Perry this weekend.

I know I`m only one of those armchair coaches ;), but I don`t see whats so special about Perry. I`ve never been that impressed with him individually. Again, just my two cents worth. I`m sure I`m missing something.
 

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I know I`m only one of those armchair coaches ;), but I don`t see whats so special about Perry. I`ve never been that impressed with him individually. Again, just my two cents worth. I`m sure I`m missing something.

nah, your not, he has been all but worthless frankly.
 

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Injuries aside (which are a big part of the Perry analyis but we can't really do anything about that) Perry has shown skill as a pass rusher and he's been decent against the run. If he can just stay healthy he could help the Packers field one of the better OLB duos in the NFL next year. This year Perry has actually been the second highest rated pass rusher on the Packers according to Pro Football Focus.
 
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Injuries aside (which are a big part of the Perry analyis but we can't really do anything about that) Perry has shown skill as a pass rusher and he's been decent against the run. If he can just stay healthy he could help the Packers field one of the better OLB duos in the NFL next year. This year Perry has actually been the second highest rated pass rusher on the Packers according to Pro Football Focus.

Well, it seems like quite a few disagree on this one mate ;).
 

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Well, it seems like quite a few disagree on this one mate ;).

Well,I can only go by what the numbers say. In about one hundred fewer pass rush opportunities, Perry has almost as many sacks, hits and hurries as Matthews. Perry has missed zero tackles and he's been pretty solid in coverage when he's been asked. Not really sure what other people were expecting. The injuries suck and are concerning but he's shown a huge improvement over last year, which is what you want out of a player in his second season.

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Injuries aside (which are a big part of the Perry analyis but we can't really do anything about that) Perry has shown skill as a pass rusher and he's been decent against the run. If he can just stay healthy he could help the Packers field one of the better OLB duos in the NFL next year. This year Perry has actually been the second highest rated pass rusher on the Packers according to Pro Football Focus.

While all this may be true, many injury prone players with "potential" never make it in the NFL because of injury. Look at Gronkowski from the Pats, imagine how freaking good that guy would be if he could stay healthy.

And while Perry may be the 2nd rated pass rusher on the team, if you think about it, that really is not saying too much. Perry is still going to get shot to show why he can do but next year he needs to...

1. Stay Healthy
2. Produce

If he can't do those next year, his tenure in GB will probably be done.
 

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While all this may be true, many injury prone players with "potential" never make it in the NFL because of injury. Look at Gronkowski from the Pats, imagine how freaking good that guy would be if he could stay healthy.

And while Perry may be the 2nd rated pass rusher on the team, if you think about it, that really is not saying too much. Perry is still going to get shot to show why he can do but next year he needs to...

1. Stay Healthy
2. Produce

If he can't do those next year, his tenure in GB will probably be done.

I fully agree with the "stay healthy" argument. However, if we just say that then there's no real analysis elsewhere. If he stays healthy what can we expect? His performance this year indicates that we should expect him to be pretty good OLB given he avoids injury.
 

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Some times raw stats don't do a player justice. Clay Matthews did a lot of good in that AMAZING Dallas game. He flushed Tony Romo out of the pocket which lead to a Clay Matthews/Datone Jones half-sack. If I recall correctly, that lead to the punt that Micah Hyde ran back into Dallas territory. Also, he got great pressure later on in that game on the play where Shields got the interception that changed the game. He came off the edge unblocked, NEARLY took of Romo's head, but ended up putting so much pressure on Romo that he hurried a throw and Super Sam picked it off.

The same can be said of AJ Hawk. I feel like sometimes I am one of the very few people who appreciate this guy. Maybe it has to do with the nostalgia of the 2006 season. I bought SO MUCH Topps Chrome that season, chasing his auto and never getting it. However, he has consistently been a top tackler for our defense, a great leader, a good defensive mind, and he earned the vote OF HIS TEAMMATES to be a Captain for the defense in 2010 when we won it all, along with Charles Woodson. Also, he seems to have this "Soloman in reverse" thing going on. He cut his hair and is playing EVEN BETTER. Especially this season. Killer interception last season.
 

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It's not a question of if Clay Matthews lived up to his contract extension this year, he obviously did not. The question is going to be over the next 2 years can he get back to the level he was at in 2011-2012 and sustain it for FULL SEASONS. If he is injured again next year I think TT and MM need to consider him a pass rushing specialist and limit his playing time significantly. He's never been healthy for a full season in his career and either the packers gameplan around that or they continue to overwork his ability and he will never be healthy for the postseason.
 
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This Clay Matthews thumb break is very disconcerting.
Seems pretty *#&%^ typical for our franchise's luck with injuries.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/pack...-bennetts-fracture-b99117915z1-227544211.html

This story was done in October following the initial injury.
Clay risked some serious long-term health to get back on the field for the Pack this year, and it might have cost him, and us.
I am SO sick of our bad injury luck, it makes me SO mad I could punch a Bear fan, or Bear, in the mouth.

If we could just have been as healthy as the 49ers the past 3 years, and them banged up like us, I think we would have gone to at least one more Super Bowl if not more.

Injury can result in serious long-term issues for Packers star

Three orthopedic surgeons who specialize in hand injuries all said the type of break Matthews suffered — known as a Bennett's fracture — requires immediate immobilization and the prospects for long-term damage are high if the bones don't heal exactly right.
"It's a very painful injury," Callahan said. "It's not really that you couldn't play with it, but it's one of the things where you aren't going to play very well. You're not going to want to shove your hand in there. You're not going to be aggressive with it."
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This Clay Matthews thumb break is very disconcerting.
Seems pretty *#&%^ typical for our franchise's luck with injuries.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/pack...-bennetts-fracture-b99117915z1-227544211.html

This story was done in October following the initial injury.
Clay risked some serious long-term health to get back on the field for the Pack this year, and it might have cost him, and us.
I am SO sick of our bad injury luck, it makes me SO mad I could punch a Bear fan, or Bear, in the mouth.

If we could just have been as healthy as the 49ers the past 3 years, and them banged up like us, I think we would have gone to at least one more Super Bowl if not more.

Injury can result in serious long-term issues for Packers star



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This Clay Matthews thumb break is very disconcerting.
Seems pretty *#&%^ typical for our franchise's luck with injuries.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/pack...-bennetts-fracture-b99117915z1-227544211.html

This story was done in October following the initial injury.
Clay risked some serious long-term health to get back on the field for the Pack this year, and it might have cost him, and us.
I am SO sick of our bad injury luck, it makes me SO mad I could punch a Bear fan, or Bear, in the mouth.

If we could just have been as healthy as the 49ers the past 3 years, and them banged up like us, I think we would have gone to at least one more Super Bowl if not more.

Injury can result in serious long-term issues for Packers star



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Stick with the Bears fan option Frank. A Bear cant help being a Bear. A Bears fan.........well ?????
 

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