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Cam Newton (QB, Auburn)

Discussion in '2011 Draft Archive' started by Jess, Feb 17, 2011.

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    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtIkMMW5TU4]YouTube - Cam Newton Highlights[/ame]

    Via: 2011 NFL Draft Player Profile | Cam Newton |
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    I'm just not sold on Newton. I think he's got character issues, I think he ran an offense at Auburn that I'm not sure translates to the NFL, and I see a lot of Vince Young in him right now who I'd have to consider a bust at this point.

    Kiper has him going #3 to Buffalo, I just don't see it. I look at Blaine Gabbert and I see someone who's more NFL ready than Newton. I'm not saying I don't think Newton's good, I think he could be very good, but when you're picking at #3 I don't think you can take someone on upside. I think you have to take the guy who's more ready now.
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    I say let the dumb Vikings draft him and then let Clay ruin his career. I can't stand the guy and he has bust written all over him. Let the poor QB-deprived teams drool over him and the other QBs and let us have better players to pick from at #32.
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    To many teams expect any guy to come from college and step into a starting role. That is the worst things for any team to do. Give each rookie QB AT LEAST one year to sit on the bench.
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    wouldnt touch him if i was pickin
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    Buffalo has a history of picking stupidly. They'll take Newton just because of the hype.
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    I say all the teams who want a QB should take one in the first round... Gabbert, Newton, Locker, & Mallett so that the Packers have more non-QB's to choose from. Mainly OLB and OT.
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    Gabbert isn't the definition of pro ready either. Both Auburn and Missouri ran the spread offense, although different styles, and they both consisted on almost no pro reads. Missouri runs the slip screens and short passes a lot and Cam Newton uses the option read play action pass too much as well. Newton did take a few snaps under center which I don't recall Gabbert ever taking snaps under center. I've seen Gabbert play more and I honestly I would say he is more a high upside project like Newton.
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    I'm not sold on Newton at all.

    Having to live in south Alabama this last year, I had to hear his name in my office for months, had to print his picture in the newspaper, and even the writers in the press were not sold on him.

    Thing is, the kid has a god complex. He already had this Kenny Powers attitude before the BCS game.
    I guess anyone would have the attitude too if they got away with what he got away with, including the incident in Florida.

    All I've been hearing about lately is how he thinks he is some God, and has not even been drafted yet. With the ego and mindset he has that he is "the best thing walking the Earth" and just loves the media, he is bound to fail. Remember the BCS Championship? He didn't have much pocket awareness getting sacked, and if it wasn't for the blown call, he would have had 3 interceptions in that game.
    (My honest opinion, that game was ******* rigged, just like the Heisman trophy was. They didn't want another Reggie Bush, but they pampered this kid)


    Let a team draft him and sign a big fat contract similar to Alex Smith and JaMarcuss Russell and watch him fail. With the ego he has, he is bound and determined to fail, as he has already made an *** of himself. But failing don't matter, he will get rich in the NFL, just like he did in college. But the NFL isn't the SEC. Defense WILL get to him. 3-4 blitzes don't mean he can run around like Steve Young.
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    Is it just me or is the QB class this year terrible?
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    It's not just you. I noticed the same thing. I wouldn't be totally surprised if none of the highly regarded QB's in this draft pan out.

    Luck would've helped the perception of this class a lot.
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    The way I feel about this draft class, every QB has something wrong with him. Now, it doesn't mean they'll be bad, that they'll bust, but there isn't a clear cut franchise signal caller.

    Mallet has mechanics and decision making problems.
    Newton has played only in a spread offense, and doesn't know how to make reads. Has also character problems.
    Locker has HUGE accuracy issues, and wasn't a winner on college.
    Gabbert has also accuracy issues, only played in a spread offense, and has decision making problems.
    Ponder doesn't have a big arm, dosn't have elite mobility and never impressed at the college level.

    The guy that looks to me more like a franchise QB is actually Ponder, he was highly recruited out of high school, has good accuracy, good mechanics, is mobile to an extent, and has good knowledge of the game. But the fact that he never impressed in college is troublesome. He may not be a "leader of man", and never came up big when needed.

    Now, about Cam Newton. Not too high, not too low. He's not a dumb kid. He's not gonna pull a Vince Young. He was clearly a leader in college, and that does translates to the NFL. The best comparison to me it's Ben Roethlisberger, in every aspect. He looks like an *******, all reports are that he is, indeed, an *******, but he's a winner, he is a leader that takes responsability to himself and that teammates look up to. He's huge, like Ben, has some accuracy issues, but is accurate enough, and will be accurate in the pros. Throwing-wise, he's comparable to Ben in strenght and accuracy.

    The question with Newton is learning skills and decision making. He was able to learn Auburn's offense in a short period of time and make the best of it. But the schemes in the pros are much more complex. Will he able to learn them, and excel in them? Not only that, the mechanics are completely different. He didn't play in timing offenses, he didn't have to look out a safety. The mental aspect of quarterbacking is 80% in the NFL, as opposed to 25, 30% in college. Is he able to fully grasp it? And if so, is he a guy that will show up before everybody and leave after everybody? Is he as committed as Aaron Rodgers and Payton Manning?

    I'm going to guess and predict here. I don't think Newton will ever be an elite QB, I don't see the mental makeup that Rodgers, Manning and the others have, and athleticsm won't make you elite in the NFL.
    However, I do think that he has good enough work ethic, kind of like Big Ben in his "early years" (assuming that he has indeed changed). He's not fond of making dumb mistakes, he's a competitor, he's a leader.

    I do, however, think it will take him 1 or 2 seasons to be able to start.

    I see him in a similar light that I saw Tebow. A guy that will be able to lead his team to wins, will be a franchise QB, but never an elite, all time QB. But they're projects. The difference between the two is that Tebow has all the leadership skills and mobility that Newton does, but his mechanichs are terrible, and doesn't have as good of an arm, both in terms of accuracy and power. However, Tebow will outwork everybody, will dominate the playbook, will be great at decision making (will have a great td/int ratio) and, with his mobility, will compensate for the throws he can't make.

    Probabilities are I'm gonna be incredibly wrong, and this post will be used to make fun of me, but I do think that, 3 to 4 years from now, both Cam and Tim will be top 15-top 10 qbs in the league, if they are in the right system.

    Tebow can't be put in a west coast system, that will never work. But he can be featured in a similar system as Vick (no, Philadelphia doesn't run a pure west coast system. And with Vick, they've shifted their playbook even more to incorporate option plays, easier reads (half field) and more vertical passing game).

    Newton I believe is more "scheme-friendly" (though his short accuracy isn't great, and has never worked on any system other than the spread). But I doubt that he can fully master an offense, let alone fully master his offense and understand all the defenses in the league (which is what Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Brees, et all, are able to do, and which separates them from the rest).
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    how do people feel about Scott Tolzien? Im a badger fan and think he is going to be a solid #2 back up with potential to do just enough to not lose a game. But since I am a badger fan I worry I might be overly praising him.
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    I like his accuracy a lot.

    I think his ceiling is about what you said, a real solid #2 that you can count on for a game or two if you have to. I'm not totally sure he can be a full-time starter.

    If we were to hypothetically trade Flynn, I'd be real happy taking Tolzien in the mid-to-late rounds to replace him.

    But, full disclosure, I'm also a Badgers fan. Though that doesn't normally cloud my judgement. I'll tell anybody I think John Clay's going to be a terrible NFL running back.
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    If he didnt drop a bunch of weight he could have been a very useful fullback.
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    Don't know if it's entirely terrible but it is definitely weak.
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    I think you're right, I don't see any Sam Bradford's, this year, or any one else with class.

    Jake Lockler I don't know about
    Ryan Mallett needs time on the bench to learn
    Cam Newton is a bust guaranteed.

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