El Guapo
Cheesehead
Did you steal these words from my brain?
I don't quite understand some of the opinions on the Queens here.
I have to agree with Raptorman on this one: the #1 difference between the Vikes and the Pack is Rodgers, full stop.
So essentially what you are saying is that the Vikings are not drafting and developing their own players because they happened to sign 3 ex-Packers in the last 8years. Makes perfect sense. Teams evolve. The Vikings are evolving. Since they put one person in charge as the GM they have changed the way they do things. Like I said, it won't happen in a year, maybe not two. But the change is there. After all, how many of the Packers starters have contributed the first year they were drafted? TT did the same thing when he first came on board. Drafted players that he thought he would be good and signed some FA to fill in while they developed. A couple come to mind, Woodson and Pickett. Now that they have drafted people to fill those spots, well, Woodson is gone. Pickett........I've never been a fan of this logic. If Team "X" didn't have player "Y" they'd be the same as Team "Z". You can cite any team with an elite QB and say if they didn't have that guy they wouldn't be quite so good. That's a weak arguement in my opinion, but I think the example you use suits this little debate well.
The Packers, a playoff caliber team with just a few needs to fix, draft a guy they don't need in the first round and let him sit the bench for a couple years. Not a popular move. He then happens to DEVELOP into possibly the best player in football, and you say, well if the Packers didn't have him they'd be on par with the Vikings? Well the Packers do have him. What if we give AR back to the Packers and take AP away from the Vikings? Then how do the teams stack up? We can do hypotheticals all day, but my point was pretty straightforward.
The Vikings have been scooping up Packer free agents for years now, and while these players have done well, the results for the team/franchise have been the same. Maybe the guy they need to be scooping up is Elliot Wolf, or some other front office guy...so that they can develop this talent more efficiently, on their own terms and have a more youthful, talented roster year after year. If you bring in Jennings and maybe Bishop this year (both players who may be on the downslide in their careers) that necessarily means that a couple young prospects don't make the team and go somewhere else.
Nope we're just as petty as all the Vikings fans who come in here to talk trash. (Note: This obviously does not include raptorman)
Also said if he didn get the money he wants he'd try to come back to green bay. So no cheap contract for you. All aboard the KC train
When you have so few posts (as you have), any sarcastic or aggressive remark- however slight, is trolling for a response. For an example, see your post #119. That, is trolling.
Suggestion-- Establish yourself clearly as NOT a troll. Then, after a period of building a reasonable reputation, you can engage in more lively debates. There are several Viking fans here that have done just this.
Or, not. I don't really care. Trolls are fun.
The Viking have shown they can make it to the playoffs without a good QB. Can the Packers?
And yet the Vikings are still the inferior team.
Had MN won both Bears games they would have won the division tied with the Packers at 11-5. Very inferior team.Yes, I'm sure we could if we had Adrian Peterson. And yes, the Vikings are the inferior team until proven otherwise, have been since 2010.
Right.This type of argument is pointless....... Speaking of threads becoming unravelled...
Had MN won both Bears games they would have won the division tied with the Packers at 11-5. Very inferior team.
This type of argument is pointless. If x happened instead of y, then team z would be better. Let me give you an example of how events can have a ripple effect. Suppose for example, the Packers draft Barry Sanders instead of Tony Mandarich. Sanders was a good enough player to make Wayne Fontes a semi successful coach, and the Lions wallowed in mediocrity for years with guys like Scott Mitchell, Andre Ware and Rodney Peete behind center. If the Packers had been reaching the playoffs with Sanders, would the Packer brass had the incentive to dump Tom Braatz and hire Ron Wolf? Would Favre have stayed on Glanville's bench? Who else besides Wolf recognized his talent? And who besides Holmgren could mold him into the greatest quarterback of the late 90's and early 2000's?
Things happened as they did, the teams are who they are because of what they have done in the past. Vikings (the real ones) used to believe that the tapestry of your fate has already been woven and the best you could hope for was to unravel a thread now and then. Speaking of threads becoming unravelled...
I refuse to not be myself. I am a sarcastic person, especially when it comes to people like VolvoD. Most of the people on here some very knowledgeable and I love posting on opponent's boards because it gives me a different perspective. But I am going to be myself.
Well that sucks. Was hoping he went somewhere else.Bishop is officially a Viking!
...and by the same math, if the Packers hadn't gotten screwed out of the Seattle game, we would still be one up on the Vikings and division winners!Had MN won both Bears games they would have won the division tied with the Packers at 11-5. Very inferior team.
You and me both, buddy. You and me both.Well that sucks. Was hoping he went somewhere else.
Precisely my point.If we drafted Barry we would have been the lions of the 90s.
This is a good signing for the Vikings. If he plays it fills a gap. If he doesn't play, it likely doesn't cost them much. One could argue that his failure would hurt the team but they are already hurting at this position.
Ironically, my favorite Bishop was the final Packers/Vikings game against Favre when Bishop leveled Brett up the middle.
What's your favorite Bishop moment as a Packer? Let's send him out in style.