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Bleeding Green and Gold
Also how is nitschke at 47?? He's one of the best lb to ever play the game this list is a joke and a popularity contest watch Favre manning or Brady will b number one cuz it's all a joke
Tony Gonzalez at 45?
Hmmm Thats a Joke
Also how is nitschke at 47?? He's one of the best lb to ever play the game this list is a joke and a popularity contest watch Favre manning or Brady will b number one cuz it's all a joke
Too low or too high?
I don't think you can put him much higher or lower. Look at his numbers. Best TE of all time and it's not even close.
I just feel that he belongs somewhere in the 50's
I dont think he should be at 45. There is many more players that were better and did more.
Seems kind of low for Marino. I still think he did one of the best jobs with little time in the league. Compare him on a year to year basis, and he should be above Favre.
I think, it's interesting seeing Emmit Smith (#28 all time rushing leader) higher up than Gayle Sayers (#22 who was exceptional, but had a short lived career). I think longevity has to be considered in a "Top One Hundred" list.
This "Top One Hundred" program is bogus on several points.
1. It's regionally biased
2. Should be retired players only
3. If I've said this once, I've said it 100 times...You can't fairly compare FB players from different era's...the fields have changed, the equipment has drastically changed, & most important, the players are Bigger, Faster, & More Athletic. .
Example: HOF'er Henry Jordan played defensive tackle for GB in the '60s at 250 lbs. Do you think he would have an impact today at that weight...Ryan Picket is listed at 340 lbs. Raji at 337, & Jenkins at 305
1. What makes it regionally biased? Not enough big 10 players or are we talking not enough packer players?
Just a gut feeling here...no real stats to backup my opinion, but I do think they slat towards Big Market Teams
2. Why? Whats it matter if we have to wait a few more years? Does anyone argue that Favre isnt one of the 100 greatest? Tony Gonzalez is 6th all time for career receptions and he is 33. He will retire most likely as #2 all time, that should at the least secure him a spot. Brady has 3 rings and a top 3 all time QB season, he could retire tomorrow and start heading to canton, anything more is gravy.
By your logic, then, Favre, Gonzalez, & Brady should be in the HOF NOW Just seems like mixing current players & retired players in 1 list seems skewed...maybe 2 list
3. Yes you can, you compare how they dominated their generation.You just made my point Little tougher with defensive players as the stats arent always there but its easy to put Hutson in the top 10 when you look at how he dominated. Thats why Sayers makes a high spot on the list. Straight up dominated for when he was in the league, and many vets say he is the greatest they ever saw.
I just love lists like this and think its great Sabol put something like this together that no matter what would get ripped.
For full disclosure I am not a Marino fan at all, but dan was a huge choke artist in the playoffs. I would say almost as much as favre.
What makes Brett so much better then? He played longer? So he has more records?
Ray Nitschke was one of my favorite players of all time. Tough as nails. So was Butkus. I hated him for being a Bear, but he sure could play the position.
If you put those 2 guys, in their prime, on the field today they'd leave on a stretcher or in a body bag by halftime.
You said "how they dominated in their generation", of which I totally agree...if they did a list for the 50's, 60's 70' ect separately it would be more meaningful.
Jim Brown dominated his position in the 50's, & Peterson is one of the best today. Now you could look at their stats, compare their strength, 40 yd sprint, bench press, & things like that, BUT, you can't duplicate the defensive players of the 50's to todays. The 2 did NOT play against the same competition...which is why I think is a stretch to compare over different "era's".
Them with today's weight lifting and overall nutrition would absolutely leave bodies on the field.
I don't think so. They were elite athletes in their day, but the human race continues to evolve. We're getting bigger, stronger, faster. In 1900, the average height of a man was something like 5' 2". Yes, today's workouts and nutrition would have gotten more out of their skill sets; but the natural skill set that those guys had, while making them elite in their day, wouldn't make them elite today. They'd be very good, but not elite. It's just nature.
We all want to romanticize things gone past, but reality says otherwise. Guys like to talk about muscle cars of the past, but by today's standards they're slugs. Time marches on.
Looks like 2 packers in the top 10...
Reggie and?