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02-09-2010, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by AlDay31  |
May I remind you that Jared Allen had an average season at best. Of his 14.5 Sacks 10 came against NFC-North-teams, and their really really bad OLines.
And Bushrod got used in the SB by a Dwight Freeney, who was at 70 per cent at best.
Rather scarying facts for declaring him as a no-brainier. Get D. Penn, and draft an OT in the second.
| No brainier for the short term and at the price in our current situation. We could not stop Mr. Allen with our current talent so would you agree Bushrod would at least be an upgrade for next season?
I am by no means saying Bushrod is the long term answer, but has potential and is better than what we currently have. This will enable Lang to go to his natural position at right Tackle for the next year. If we got Bushrod I still would like to see the Pack draft another left tackle prospect, but I don't see a rookie starting day one next year, but Bushrod can.
Worst case scenario Bushrod is not the answer at tackle, but I believe he would make a fine left guard. Our left guard position still bothers me, not much faith in Colledge or Spitz. IMO Bushrod is better than both of them at this point in their careers.
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02-09-2010, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DILLIGAFF |
No brainier for the short term and at the price in our current situation. We could not stop Mr. Allen with our current talent so would you agree Bushrod would at least be an upgrade for next season?
I am by no means saying Bushrod is the long term answer, but has potential and is better than what we currently have. This will enable Lang to go to his natural position at right Tackle for the next year. If we got Bushrod I still would like to see the Pack draft another left tackle prospect, but I don't see a rookie starting day one next year, but Bushrod can.
Worst case scenario Bushrod is not the answer at tackle, but I believe he would make a fine left guard. Our left guard position still bothers me, not much faith in Colledge or Spitz. IMO Bushrod is better than both of them at this point in their careers.
| It would depend on which tender the Saints place on Bushrod. If they place a high tender on him, we might have to give up a draft pick that we would've used to get a future LT prospect. So in this case you might have to give up the long term prospect in order to get the short term answer. There is no way of getting both accomplished this offseason.
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02-09-2010, 12:49 PM
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I agree, I believe that the Bucs LT is my first choice but Jammal Brown is miles better than Bushrod! He might be an LG but no way is he a quality LT
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02-09-2010, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by NYPacker | |
It would depend on which tender the Saints place on Bushrod. If they place a high tender on him, we might have to give up a draft pick that we would've used to get a future LT prospect. So in this case you might have to give up the long term prospect in order to get the short term answer. There is no way of getting both accomplished this offseason.
| Ya I just did a little research and that the high tender is a 1st and 3rd pick, and the contract cost to the Saints is about 3 million. I thought the price on the high tender would be more than that. So the Saints could keep both their tackles for about 6 million next year, or get pretty good draft picks in compensation. Thats 2 million less than what we paid Clifton last year. The Saints problems in contract the more time I have to think about this comes next year.
This is not looking so promising, I don't think Bushrod is worth a 1st round pick
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02-09-2010, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DILLIGAFF |
Ya I just did a little research and that the high tender is a 1st and 3rd pick, and the contract cost to the Saints is about 3 million. I thought the price on the high tender would be more than that. So the Saints could keep both their tackles for about 6 million next year, or get pretty good draft picks in compensation. Thats 2 million less than what we paid Clifton last year. The Saints problems in contract the more time I have to think about this comes next year.
This is not looking so promising, I don't think Bushrod is worth a 1st round pick
| Bushrod isn't worth a 5rd IMHO. I'd take him in UFA, but giving a pick for a guy that, though showing promise, just allowed 7.5 sacks in 12 games, after starting less than 5 games his 2 previous years... No thank you.
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I see where you discuss Bushrod as being a RFA, but the other two will be as well (at least if the year is uncapped). That's my understanding at least. I have not really started studied the offseason too much yet.
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02-10-2010, 05:28 PM
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I see where you discuss Bushrod as being a RFA, but the other two will be as well (at least if the year is uncapped). That's my understanding at least. I have not really started studied the offseason too much yet.
| What's your concept of him? I mean, take off the champions Black and Gold glasses (must be really good to hear that) and analyse Bushrod for us, please!
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Originally Posted by PackersRS | |
What's your concept of him? I mean, take off the champions Black and Gold glasses (must be really good to hear that) and analyse Bushrod for us, please!
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First, I have to give him props for filling in all season for Brown. Most of the time you have to think your chances of going deep in the playoffs are shot when your Pro Bowl LT goes on IR before the first game.
Of course, you are not asking about getting a quality back up, you are wanting to know if he is a legitimate starter.
In short, I would not feel like a team was "set" at LT with him at his current level of play. IMO, when you have QB's like Brees or AR it is worth investing in a Pro Bowl tackle if you can find one.
He does well against pure speed rushers. Where he struggles is protecting against elite pass rushers with a good bull rush. I honestly don't know whether that is something that can be "fixed" in the offseason.
He does have good qualities -- his fellow lineman have said he is the most atheletic of the bunch.
Nonethless, I can tell you he was the biggest concern on the O line going into games with good pass rushes. You can game plan around some of his shortcomings, but you take away some of your weapons when you do that. You really don't want to have to do that in your big games.
If you don't have better options he is certainly not terrible, but your need to upgrade will still exist (again, based on current play).
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Originally Posted by morningwood |
First, I have to give him props for filling in all season for Brown. Most of the time you have to think your chances of going deep in the playoffs are shot when your Pro Bowl LT goes on IR before the first game.
Of course, you are not asking about getting a quality back up, you are wanting to know if he is a legitimate starter.
In short, I would not feel like a team was "set" at LT with him at his current level of play. IMO, when you have QB's like Brees or AR it is worth investing in a Pro Bowl tackle if you can find one.
He does well against pure speed rushers. Where he struggles is protecting against elite pass rushers with a good bull rush. I honestly don't know whether that is something that can be "fixed" in the offseason.
He does have good qualities -- his fellow lineman have said he is the most atheletic of the bunch.
Nonethless, I can tell you he was the biggest concern on the O line going into games with good pass rushes. You can game plan around some of his shortcomings, but you take away some of your weapons when you do that. You really don't want to have to do that in your big games.
If you don't have better options he is certainly not terrible, but your need to upgrade will still exist (again, based on current play).
| First off, I don't think I'd ever be able to get past the name without chuckling like Beavis and Butthead... Bush rod... heh huh huh heh heh heh
Second, I don't know if this was a huge aberration or what but he was schooled in the SB by a one-legged Freeney... Freeney is great and all, but he was barely able to play and he annihilated Bushrod in that game.
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