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02-09-2010, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by PackersRS  |
But that's the thing. Cecil had a lot of sucess interchanging Herber. But they don't have great stats, no great personal awards.
I think this was more in favor of Don Hudson than of the two.
But IMHO Herber is the 3rd best Packer qb of all time. Did you see that vid of him breaking that glass? Awesome.
(BTW, Starr, Favre, Herber, Dickey and Rodgers already has surpassed Majik Man in my concept).
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Absolutely. The game was also very different then. Herber got in the NFL hall of fame while playing and passing out of Lambeau's Notre Dame single wing offense. I think at that time you still could only throw a forward pass if you were five yards behind the line of scrimmage. Herber was technically a half back I guess.
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02-09-2010, 07:56 PM
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I would say that by having 4 turnovers and making Denver have 3 and outs, putting the ball back in Montana's hands had a lot to do with his ability to to have 5td passes. Don't get me wrong, I think he was a good QB. But when you look at how well a QB does in games like that you have to look at what allowed him to do it in the first place. Figure two of his TD's came after interceptions in Denver's territory, one at the 28 resulting in a 28 yard td pass and another on the 37 resulting in a 35 yards td two plays later. 3 of his TD's came as a result of Denver turnovers. Granted, he had to make the plays, but without the turnovers he would have never had the chance.
| Manning was the greatest product-of-a-system as I've ever seen in the NFL.
At a time BEFORE free agency.=; with one of the greatest coaching staffs in NFL history; with one of the most prolific (note I didn't say "greatest") WR's in NFL history.....the list goes on and on and on. And, you look at his overall numbers and they're only decent.
Jesus H., Brett Favre had more TD's this year than Montana's last FOUR years. The two are not even close - Favre is in a completely different league above and beyond Montana.
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02-09-2010, 08:03 PM
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Jesus H., Brett Favre had more TD's this year than Montana's last FOUR years. The two are not even close - Favre is in a completely different league above and beyond Montana.
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I suppose you feel the same way about Adrian Peterson and Jim Brown too right? Favre is an all time great QB but only will enter into the "best" ever category among his worshipers. Top 10, yeah. Best ever, no way. Horrible post season record, too many season ending poor decisions and way too many INTs.
I'll give you favre lovers one thing though - you are persistant as hell.
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02-09-2010, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Clay's Jock Strap |
I suppose you feel the same way about Adrian Peterson and Jim Brown too right? Favre is an all time great QB but only will enter into the "best" ever category among his worshipers. Top 10, yeah. Best ever, no way. Horrible post season record, too many season ending poor decisions and way too many INTs.
I'll give you favre lovers one thing though - you are persistant as hell.
| Couldn't agree with you more about your Favre assessment. Spot on.
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02-09-2010, 11:58 PM
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Off-topic: The phrase "Jesus H. Brett Favre" is pretty damn hilarious.
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Off-topic: The phrase "Jesus H. Brett Favre" is pretty damn hilarious.
| Good catch Jess. That is funny, in a subconscious, word association sort of way. LOL 
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Amazing; as much as I hatethe Cowpukes how come no one mentions Aikman he also has 3 rings! BTW Bart Starr has 5 rings and 9-1 playoff record!!!
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02-10-2010, 07:52 AM
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Amazing; as much as I hatethe Cowpukes how come no one mentions Aikman he also has 3 rings! BTW Bart Starr has 5 rings and 9-1 playoff record!!!
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| Probably because he has less TD passes then Brad Johnson. Averaging less than 14 TD passes a year will not get you into the discussion of the Best QB in history. Plus 165 TD's and 141 INT in 165 games is not top 10 QB material for most people. Had he played in the 50's-60's those would be good numbers. But for the time-frame he played in they are pedestrian.
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Originally Posted by Raptorman | |
Probably because he has less TD passes then Brad Johnson. Averaging less than 14 TD passes a year will not get you into the discussion of the Best QB in history. Plus 165 TD's and 141 INT in 165 games is not top 10 QB material for most people. Had he played in the 50's-60's those would be good numbers. But for the time-frame he played in they are pedestrian.
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Yeah, I agree. Aikman doesn't belong in the discussion. I would take Kurt Warner over Aikman anyday.
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Originally Posted by Raptorman | |
Probably because he has less TD passes then Brad Johnson. Averaging less than 14 TD passes a year will not get you into the discussion of the Best QB in history. Plus 165 TD's and 141 INT in 165 games is not top 10 QB material for most people. Had he played in the 50's-60's those would be good numbers. But for the time-frame he played in they are pedestrian.
| I don't know if I'd put Aikman in the top 10, I must admit, but his postseason performances earn him a top 15 spot without a doubt...
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