Were are the Manning haters?

[Green_Bay_Packers]

Marino would have won numerous Superbowl withs the 49'ers in that era, Joe would have struggled with the Dolphins!

Marino to Rice!

That sounds too good to be true

[Jess]

Like everyone else said, you aren't looking hard enough. Sportscenter doesn't seem to be critical of Manning, focusing more on, you know, the team that just won the Super Bowl and one of the best stories in sports in the last 5 or so years. But, NFLN, everywhere else, Manning's getting it pretty good.

The focus should be on the Saints today. If people want to bash Manning's throw, he certainly deserves it because it was bad (also should be bashing Reggie Wayne for being really slow coming out of his break, they both deserve some criticism), but the Saints won the Super Bowl. The city of New Orleans won the Super Bowl. That's a far more compelling story than Manning, and I think that's why you aren't hearing a ton about it from Sportscenter.

[Clay's Jock Strap]

Originally Posted by AllouezPackerFan

Put Marino on the 49ers and I think he would have won several Super Bowls. Joe Montana and Tom Brady have both been fortunate to play the BEST all around teams of their eras. The 49ers and Patriots were dominate in every aspect of the game and good quarterback play propelled them to greatness. That being said, I think Peyton Manning is better qb than Tom Brady and I think Dan Marino was better than Montana. Thats tough for me to say, because I went to Notre Dame and I love Joe Montana.

But this is an argument that you can only make in speculation because the history is written. Montana 4-0 in SBs, Marino 0-1.

Nobody said it was fair but it is fact and is a big part of how history will judge these two QBs.

[longtimefan]

Clay's jock..

Could you do me a favor?

Not use the turd polishers, or the other derogatory words so much? We get you hate Brett ( yes it is Brett not Brit, Brent, Brat) but to use it as much as you do takes away from your posts..Might not take you as serious if your ALWAYS using 4th grader name calling

Just an opinion I wanted to express

[Clay's Jock Strap]

Originally Posted by longtimefan

Clay's jock..

Could you do me a favor?

Not use the turd polishers, or the other derogatory words so much? We get you hate Brett ( yes it is Brett not Brit, Brent, Brat) but to use it as much as you do takes away from your posts..Might not take you as serious if your ALWAYS using 4th grader name calling

Just an opinion I wanted to express

If it is just a favor then no - I'll do what I want. If it is mandatory then fine. BTW, I don't "hate" Brett - I love the Packers and don't appreciate how he wiped his ass on the organization on the way out the door. But hey, you go ahead and act like you understand my feelings when you don't mr SUPERMOD.

Whatever. BTW, thanks for the public flogging rather than expressing yourself in a PM. That would make me take YOU much more seriously instead of just thinking you like to call people out in public to thump your chest.

[Forget Favre]

Even before the hike I said out loud "Interception."

I don't think or see Manning doing anything wrong. He threw what he thought was an open receiver. Tracy Porter just happened to be in right place, right time.
It wasn't the mistakes this time that lost the game. It was simply that the Colts were outplayed.
Field goals, great D and O and the gutsy surprise onside kick.

[PackersRS]

Originally Posted by AllouezPackerFan

Why does one play take him out of the "top 5 qb of all time" discussion? I still think he's one of the best ever. He's won a Super Bowl. Some consider Dan Marino the best ever and he hasn't won a Super Bowl.

Not one play. A lost at a Superbowl, added to a series of early quits in the playoffs.

Whoever considers Marino as the best ever needs a serious lobotomy, nothing personal.

Hypothesis that will never be tested cannot enter in the subject. Fact is fact, and fact is Marino couldn't win it all, and that Manning didn't win it. Brees did. He playes his mind out, with a lot of people were saying was inferior talent.

You just can't consider a guy the best ever if he never won a SB in 10+ years. Not when guys like Montana, Starr and Graham won so much, while playing lights out.

It's not greatness that's being contested. It's all around superiority.

Marion is the best regular season QB ever. Manning could surpass him. Favre is for sure a top 5.

But the mark of a great qb is postseason sucess and clutchness. Starr has the best postseason ratings of ALL TIME, and has 5 championships, 2 SB rings, and 2 SB MVP rings. Montana has 4 SBs and 3 SB MVPs. Manning and Marino don't come even close to that.

[PackersRS]

Originally Posted by Forget Favre

Even before the hike I said out loud "Interception."

I don't think or see Manning doing anything wrong. He threw what he thought was an open receiver. Tracy Porter just happened to be in right place, right time.
It wasn't the mistakes this time that lost the game. It was simply that the Colts were outplayed.
Field goals, great D and O and the gutsy surprise onside kick.

But was Manning great?

Was Brees great?

[longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Clay's Jock Strap

If it is just a favor then no - I'll do what I want. If it is mandatory then fine. BTW, I don't "hate" Brett - I love the Packers and don't appreciate how he wiped his ass on the organization on the way out the door. But hey, you go ahead and act like you understand my feelings when you don't mr SUPERMOD.

Whatever. BTW, thanks for the public flogging rather than expressing yourself in a PM. That would make me take YOU much more seriously instead of just thinking you like to call people out in public to thump your chest.

I did ask as a favor and you don't want to..Thats fine

btw?

If I wanted to thump my chest towards you, you would have felt it

[Clay's Jock Strap]

Originally Posted by longtimefan

If I wanted to thump my chest towards you, you would have felt it

Owie... Because message boards are my life and it would have bruised my ego is that what you are saying?
LOL
Listen, you started shit with me not vice-versa. If you want to act like calling someone out in public is the best way to get desired results then that is your business - but it isn't and I think most people would realize that pretty easily. If you hoped for a certain outcome you went about things the wrong way - but hey, the toothpaste is out of the tube now - and why admit you handled it poorly?? I mean, who cares about little details like the truth right?