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Old 02-08-2010, 10:07 AM
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Are you watching or listening to any media coverage today? Obviously not. Clearly Manning choked, however I could really care less. Peyton Manning means nothing to me whereas Favre stabbed me in the back....so choke job in the NFC Championship was fun to see.

Also....name me one time Peyton Manning has thrown six interceptions in the playoffs.
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The thing is that Manning doesn't have the history of throwing game-ending INTS, like Favre do.

Favre's status as a choker is pretty much unbeatable. But if Manning loses in the similar fashion again, then his "top 5 qb of all time" will take quite a tumble...
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The thing is that Manning doesn't have the history of throwing game-ending INTS, like Favre do.

Favre's status as a choker is pretty much unbeatable. But if Manning loses in the similar fashion again, then his "top 5 qb of all time" will take quite a tumble...

Why does one play take him out of the "top 5 qb of all time" discussion? I still think he's one of the best ever. He's won a Super Bowl. Some consider Dan Marino the best ever and he hasn't won a Super Bowl.
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That was a horrible decision by Peyton. As soon as he threw it, I yelled, "NOOOOO!" It had pick-6 written all over it from the moment it left his hand.

I feel for Indy fans as, having been a Pack fan through all the Favre INTs, I know what it is like to see such a mental lapse from your team leader, the guy who was most responsible for getting you to the playoffs in the first place.

I have seen a fair amount of bashing in the media, by the way. Am sure there is more to come.

To compare Manning to Favre regarding the "choke" topic is a bit of a reach, though. Favre is known for his game killing INTs. Manning is not, imo. Now, if Manning did it again next year and the year after that? Then, I would agree.

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So Manning tosses a pick to put the game out of reach. Where is the bashing from the media? Does this mean he is a choker and can't win the big game? After all he has only one ring in his career and has had two chances just like Favre. Whenever Favre comes up we are told that Manning is so much better because he doesn't choke in the clutch. Well it seems to me that when any team puts so much on the qb to make plays, there can be mistakes no matter how good the qb.

Now I don't blame this loss entirley on Manning, his d couldn't get NO off the field and give him enough chances to win the game.

Let the spin begin....
The difference is that favre slurpers have been FOR YEARS blaming choke jobs on every single player BUT brINT favre. The reason for the "haters" is because some of us got sick of always hearing that the WR ran the wrong route or whatever so you turd polishers could deflect any and all blame from favre. If it wasn't for the adulation and people blaming everything that went wrong with the Packers on everybody BUT brINT favre the "hater" group wouldn't exist - and we exist for the sole reason of trying to collectively pull guys like you from out of his rectum.

Winning is a team thing as is losing. Some times a single player does play a disproportionate role in either a win or a loss but generally it is a team affair. For years favre was placed on a pedestal where he only got credit and never blame - it was favre and 52 stumble bums.

This year the queens season ended on a horrible brINT favre decision. It was a terrible pass and a terrible decision by a seasoned future HOF QB at the worst possible moment in the game, when victory was very likely imminent. But it was one in a slew of self inflicted wounds that team was guilty of during the game. Nobody in their right mind is BLAMING favre for the loss - but the criticism of his reckless, brain dead decision at the moment of truth is completely justified and based on how he has ended his season in several recent years seems to be quite a trend. But criticizing him for a terrible pass is not the same as blaming the entire loss on him - not even close.

The favre acolytes for years got away with their superman and 52 stumble bums act - and often when favre's play and bad decisions were huge in leading to a Packer defeat. Several of us started pushing back on that notion and because the perspective of the acolytes is so skewed, it makes us appear to them as "haters" just because we hold favre accountable for his screw ups.

The fawning mass of worshipers has made favre an easy target to resent because it is obvious to so many that the emperor has no clothes. Those who wanted to absolve favre from everything and make him out to be a God are now finding themselves on the wrong side of history as brINT favre the myth and brINT favre the actual guy are reconciled. You all slobed his knob at every opportunity in the past and now you look like fools so instead of coming clean with a mea culpa you simply dig in and push back even harder with the "hater" rhetoric.

In short, brINT favre is a great QB with a couple fatal flaws. He made a horrible decision at the end of the NFCC game and it cost his team a good shot win that game in regulation and go to the super bowl. Peyton Manning is a great QB who made a really bad pass in the SB and it cost his team a chance to send the game into OT. No spin is needed, they both hiccuped at the worst possible time and the New Orleans Saints are Super Bowl Champions - end of story.
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This will be a knock on Peyton Manning the rest of his life. This definitely puts Tom Brady in recent history as the greatest QB of the past 25 or 30 years. This will defiantly get bigger as time goes on, they will remember this. BF has in recent years brought a lot of things on himself, where as there have been no question marks on Peyton Manning.
Although Manning HAS been part of a SB champion, in a comparison of eras, Brady is looking a lot like Joe Montana to Manning's Dan Marino.
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We all expect Favre to throw INT's because thats the kind of player he is, Manning on the other hand we expect him to Win the game for his team. Well that didnt happen at least his INT wasnt as bad as Favre's in the NFC Championship game!
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We all expect Favre to throw INT's because thats the kind of player he is, Manning on the other hand we expect him to Win the game for his team. Well that didnt happen at least his INT wasnt as bad as Favre's in the NFC Championship game!
Very true - one almost expects favre to throw a dumb pick at the end of or throughout playoff games. I think most people expected to see Manning lead them to a TD on that drive last night and either the Saints answer with a quick drive to win it or for the game to go to OT. A pick 6 in that situation was completely unexpected to most I think. It was a great play by Porter though - he really read it well and made a great jump on the ball - but Peyton threw a bad, lazy pass too. It was shocking to say the least.
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What I liked about the win last night was a TEAM won, not a QB. I think the Colts played conservative and placed the win or loss solely on Peyton. Players on defense and special teams won that game for the Saints, not to mention the coach making some fantastic calls on the side line. Again the Saints TEAM is > Peyton choking.

Drew play a fantastic game, but that field goal kicker (how many did he make over 45 yards), the on-side kick, and the defensive INTs won the game in a true team effort.

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Although Manning HAS been part of a SB champion, in a comparison of eras, Brady is looking a lot like Joe Montana to Manning's Dan Marino.

Put Marino on the 49ers and I think he would have won several Super Bowls. Joe Montana and Tom Brady have both been fortunate to play the BEST all around teams of their eras. The 49ers and Patriots were dominate in every aspect of the game and good quarterback play propelled them to greatness. That being said, I think Peyton Manning is better qb than Tom Brady and I think Dan Marino was better than Montana. Thats tough for me to say, because I went to Notre Dame and I love Joe Montana.
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