What was the Packers worst Personnel decision of 2009? - Page 3

nelanator · #21 01-23-2010, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by weeds

I'm disagreeing here because both Viking losses came before Tausch's return. I know exactly what you're saying, I really do ... but, Jared Allen made the pro-bowl based on two performances this year...both against the Green Bay Packers over half of his 14.5 came against the Packers (7.5)..that's over 10% of his entire CAREER total to date. That's not the sole cause of the Pack's two losses to the boys in Violet and Yellow, but it is indicative of the total domination of the Pack's O-line in those two games.

Saying Allen made the Pro Bowl based on the two Packer games is a pretty ignorant statement to make. The guy probably drew more double teams and chip blocks than any player in the league, partly because of the incredibly inconsistent performance of Ray Edwards on the opposite side, and was stout against the run. He played well enough to make the Pro Bowl and has the name recognition to have made it even without those six sacks.

nelanator · #22 01-23-2010, 07:46 AM

As for the worst personnel decision of the Packers, having Jordy Nelson return kicks deserves some mention.

Clay's Jock Strap · #23 01-23-2010, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by nelanator

As for the worst personnel decision of the Packers, having Jordy Nelson return kicks deserves some mention.

Unless you are suggesting that they should have acquired someone for that role, who would you suggest they should have used? Woodson? Tramon Williams? Blackmon was on IR... I don't see a lot of good options here. They tried Ahman Green. Their choices on their active roster were pretty limited. BTW, Nelson wasn't a dynamic returner but his numbers were solid over all. He averaged 25.4 yards per return. His average ranked #27 which certainly isn't good. However, Jordy had 25 returns. Ten of the players listed above him in average at NFL. com had 5 or fewer returns on the year, and another had only 10. So, if you exclude returners who have too low a number of returns to give a decent statistical summary, he was actually #16, which means AVERAGE. If you keep all those low data point returners in the mix and look at the average return #s, the guy who was actually at #16 had an average return of 26.6 yards - or barely 1 yard more than Jordy's average. So, when looking at the stats, Jordy struck me as a "solid" but certainly not spectacular kick returner. He didn't kill us but sure didn't help a lot either.

KR/PR is something they IMO have to look really hard for this off season. IMO, finding an impact kick returner/punt returner would go a long way towards improving ST.

nelanator · #24 01-23-2010, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by Clay's Jock Strap

Unless you are suggesting that they should have acquired someone for that role, who would you suggest they should have used? Woodson? Tramon Williams? Blackmon was on IR... I don't see a lot of good options here. They tried Ahman Green. Their choices on their active roster were pretty limited. BTW, Nelson wasn't a dynamic returner but his numbers were solid over all. He averaged 25.4 yards per return. His average ranked #27 which certainly isn't good. However, Jordy had 25 returns. Ten of the players listed above him in average at NFL. com had 5 or fewer returns on the year, and another had only 10. So, if you exclude returners who have too low a number of returns to give a decent statistical summary, he was actually #16, which means AVERAGE. If you keep all those low data point returners in the mix and look at the average return #s, the guy who was actually at #16 had an average return of 26.6 yards - or barely 1 yard more than Jordy's average. So, when looking at the stats, Jordy struck me as a "solid" but certainly not spectacular kick returner. He didn't kill us but sure didn't help a lot either.

KR/PR is something they IMO have to look really hard for this off season. IMO, finding an impact kick returner/punt returner would go a long way towards improving ST.

They should have aquired somebody. I think that Nelson's yards per return are slightly misleading because from what I saw, and I only saw half the games or so, he just caught the ball and ran strait up field basically every time. That is a good strategy for getting guaranteed pure yards per return, but anyone can do it. But he never seemed to be a threat to house it. Teams didn't have to worry about it because he was going to get those yards but was never going to kill them. Past Jennings, Driver, Nelson, and Jones the Pack has a craptastic crop of 3 practice squad caliber wideouts. There has to have been some free agent rookie out there with some semblance of kick return ability.

Clay's Jock Strap · #25 01-23-2010, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by nelanator

he just caught the ball and ran strait up field basically every time. That is a good strategy for getting guaranteed pure yards per return, but anyone can do it.

That is why I said that he didn't do anything great but didn't hurt us either. I think 25.4 yards is a pretty healthy average for a guy who didn't break any long ones. So I'd disagree that "anyone" could do it. That said, I totally agree that an upgrade at that spot would be a big help. But IMO we have bigger needs, like OT, LOLB, S, CB... But there is no denying that better starting field position would make the offense even more potent.

GDP56 · #26 01-23-2010, 10:30 AM

kampman is now out of position and is repleaceble with this kind of defense, hope that they can get a good high value pick for this years draft. I also agree in cutting sutton

Clay's Jock Strap · #27 01-23-2010, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by GDP56

kampman is now out of position and is repleaceble with this kind of defense, hope that they can get a good high value pick for this years draft. I also agree in cutting sutton

Problem is, Kampy is now an UFA... The time to trade him was last off season when he was under contract. He isn't our property any more and the only ways we can trade him are to sign him first or to use the franchise tag (risky proposition since I believe it would guarantee him at least $8M in salary for 2010) and then try to work out compensation. IMO, if we were interested in getting maximum value for Kampman we totally missed the boat. Now he is an UFA on the wrong side of 30 and coming off of major knee surgery.

DILLIGAFF · #28 01-23-2010, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by nelanator

As for the worst personnel decision of the Packers, having Jordy Nelson return kicks deserves some mention.

Nelson had better averages and stats than Blackmon this year. The other option would have been Woodson, but risking him to that kind of punishment and injury would have been devastating to our defense. Nelson was the best on the team, though his playoff performance seemed strange to me, thats the best way to describe it as "strange".

GBFANATIC · #29 01-23-2010, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by GDP56

kampman is now out of position and is repleaceble with this kind of defense, hope that they can get a good high value pick for this years draft. I also agree in cutting sutton

I was talking to espn announcer John Clayton (regular at my restaurant) back in early November about the Kampman situation. He said that Kampman's trade value at the time would be for a 4th- 5th round draft pick. John's biggest concerns for us at the beginning of the season and for next year are what we all expect: O-Line and CB's. Anyone know Kampman's salary? If we lose him free agency (please anywhere but Minny) we will have a significant amount of money towards fixing those problems.

Clay's Jock Strap · #30 01-23-2010, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by GBFANATIC

I was talking to espn announcer John Clayton (regular at my restaurant) back in early November about the Kampman situation. He said that Kampman's trade value at the time would be for a 4th- 5th round draft pick. John's biggest concerns for us at the beginning of the season and for next year are what we all expect: O-Line and CB's. Anyone know Kampman's salary? If we lose him free agency (please anywhere but Minny) we will have a significant amount of money towards fixing those problems.

Minnesota won't be a big player in the FA markety due to the limitations on the "final 8" with no CBA in 2010. If they sign anyone do you really think it would be a DE when they have Allen and Edwards, or maybe someone to help out their crappy secondary?