Transfer portal and NIL Money, how they have changed college sports".

[Heyjoe4]

Isn't frustrating as a Packer fan.

Yeah the Vikings are only slightly better at drafting QBs than the Bears, meaning not at all.

 

[Voyageur]

Bud Grant! I miss that guy. "No hand warmers! These guys should be thinking of football, not staying warm. This is Minnesota ******* it!"

As for the QBs, I did not know Culpepper was an 11th overall pick. He did have some great years, but even when they had Moss, the Vikings just never got past the choke stage. (I think they've been to 4 SBs, all losses of course). (Side note - Moss went to the Pats who went undefeated right up to the SB against the Giants. They lost that game, a victim of the Vikings' curse - and I think the helmet catch.)

Another guy who put up big numbers for them was Randall Cunningham. I thought they were 15-1 or some outrageous number of wins one season. Not sure if that was the year the kicker choked on a chip shot in the NFCCG (I think that was late 90s, maybe 2000......). I think Cunningham predated that game.

I can handle the Bears occasional SB win (1 and counting), even the Lions (0 and counting). But the Queens? Banish the thought. GB has 4 SBs and who knows how many championships before the SB era. We're lucky fans.

My memories of Bud Grant are of running into him at Link Brothers, in Minong, more than once. Twice when new fishing boats hit the floor, and once, the day before the opening of bass season, when he was in there just like me, getting gear for the next day. He loved talking fishing, and if you brought it up, he'd talk about it for hours. But, the minute someone brought up football, he'd clam up and want to change back to fishing. He had compartmentalized his coaching days, and put them in a drawer in the past. All that counted was hitting the lakes where it was pure peace and quiet, and nobody wanting to talk football.

 

[Heyjoe4]

My memories of Bud Grant are of running into him at Link Brothers, in Minong, more than once. Twice when new fishing boats hit the floor, and once, the day before the opening of bass season, when he was in there just like me, getting gear for the next day. He loved talking fishing, and if you brought it up, he'd talk about it for hours. But, the minute someone brought up football, he'd clam up and want to change back to fishing. He had compartmentalized his coaching days, and put them in a drawer in the past. All that counted was hitting the lakes where it was pure peace and quiet, and nobody wanting to talk football.

Meeting Bud Grant. Now that is very cool. Interesting how he isolated his football life. Bud was about as unglamorous a guy as you could meet. He was also a very good HC.

One thing I remember from those days, and I don't remember the year or years - but during the Packer glory days with Lombardi, the Vikings would come into a game with a horrible record, horrible team, and still manage to win a game against GB, usually in MN.

Or maybe it never happened at all and I'm imagining it. I know I'm not imagining Packers D linemen chasing Tarkenton allover the field. By today's standards FT wasn't a great athlete, but damn the guy was hard to sack.

 

[Voyageur]

Meeting Bud Grant. Now that is very cool. Interesting how he isolated his football life. Bud was about as unglamorous a guy as you could meet. He was also a very good HC.

One thing I remember from those days, and I don't remember the year or years - but during the Packer glory days with Lombardi, the Vikings would come into a game with a horrible record, horrible team, and still manage to win a game against GB, usually in MN.

Or maybe it never happened at all and I'm imagining it. I know I'm not imagining Packers D linemen chasing Tarkenton allover the field. By today's standards FT wasn't a great athlete, but damn the guy was hard to sack.

They they gave Tarkenton credit for scramble yards around the field, he would have had 15,000 yards a season. We'd be at Packer/Vikings games screaming; "For God's sake! Catch that SOB!" I think it was the biggest contributor to my getting gray hair later in life.

He won a lot of games with the Vikings. He had like a 62% win record, which is high up in the rankings. Something like 165-170 wins, and I believe 4 trips to championship games but no brass ring. He was a good one, no doubt about it.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I was thinking about the draft pool this year and how the extra Covid year, NIL and the TP has effected it. I found a decent article, written by a Bills media guy, but pretty much universal for all teams.

WE are seeing older players in this draft, that have chosen to stay in school longer, especially given the extra Covid year. That won't disappear from college sports until after the 2026
seasons.

Now the TP and NIL money is just starting to impact sports. Student athletes that see big paydays in college, aren't in such a hurry to declare for the Pro's. Equally, I think a player that sees a better opportunity through the portal, may opt to stick around in a new program, rather than roll the dice on a professional career.

Once all three of these impacts have cycled in or out (Covid), we probably see a new norm. One where athletes might stick around college for the full 5 years, instead of declaring after just 2 or 3. As far as the NFL goes, we may begin to see players that are "NFL ready" a lot quicker, given their college experience, as well as maturity.

Extra COVID year and NIL money showing growing impact on Bills, NFL draft prospect pool

INDIANAPOLIS — It was Edefuan Ulofoshio’s first trip to the bus stop without his older brother.

www.niagara-gazette.com

 

[Pkrjones]

I still think Gute (& other GM's) will place a premium grade on younger players. A 23 or 24 yr old rookie is a poor investment, as 2nd contract comes when a player is pushing 28 yrs old. Kenny Clark is 28 and looking for his 3rd contract...he's an amazing investment. Just don't know how soon the injury bug bites him?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I still think Gute (& other GM's) will place a premium grade on younger players. A 23 or 24 yr old rookie is a poor investment, as 2nd contract comes when a player is pushing 28 yrs old. Kenny Clark is 28 and looking for his 3rd contract...he's an amazing investment. Just don't know how soon the injury bug bites him?

Yes and no. I think there are cases where guys declared too quickly and would have been better off being a star on a college team VS riding the bench for a few years in the NFL. Then you take a player like Kenny Clark, whom you correctly point out has been pretty damn good since being drafted at the age of 20.

Basically, I think its all individual dependent and possibly position dependent as well. For instance, I would rather spend a 1st round pick on a QB, that I plan on starting as a rookie, that has 3-4 seasons of being a starting college QB under his belt. Now a 20 year old guy like Braelon Allen (RB at Wisconsin), who started college at the age of 17, has 3 years of being the featured back at Wisconsin, has nothing more to prove and everything to gain in the NFL. Playing 1 more year at Wisconsin might have improved his draft stock a bit, but it also might have resulted in an injury that blew up his professional aspirations.

The final variable, maturity. Some of these guys just aren't mature enough to start a professional life, with a ton of money in their pockets. Of course, we see that with 30 year old players too.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

So now NIL money is competing with rookie salaries!

"It’s wild to consider that a college can outbid the NBA for a player, but that’s exactly what could happen here. Players on two-way deals in the NBA earned $559K last season, which is half of the league’s minimum rookie contract."

John Calipari lands biggest transfer portal star yet at Arkansas for huge NIL payment

Arkansas may have outbid the NBA’s interest in Johnell Davis with a big NIL deal for the transfer portal’s No. 1 ranked guard

www.sbnation.com

 

[Heyjoe4]

So now NIL money is competing with rookie salaries!

"It’s wild to consider that a college can outbid the NBA for a player, but that’s exactly what could happen here. Players on two-way deals in the NBA earned $559K last season, which is half of the league’s minimum rookie contract."

John Calipari lands biggest transfer portal star yet at Arkansas for huge NIL payment

Arkansas may have outbid the NBA’s interest in Johnell Davis with a big NIL deal for the transfer portal’s No. 1 ranked guard

www.sbnation.com

So the universities are paying the NIL money to the player? I guess I thought it would come from sponsors - Nike, Adidas, UA, etc. I don't get how this works.

But if someone offered me $1 mil to play a college schedule (40 games give or take?) or $560k to play an NBA schedule (82 games and playoffs), well there's no decision to be made.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

So the universities are paying the NIL money to the player? I guess I thought it would come from sponsors - Nike, Adidas, UA, etc. I don't get how this works.

No, the money isn't coming directly from the University. It is paid directly to the athlete from an outside source. Of course, athletes can make more money based off of the reputation and financial backers of a University.

Everything You Need to Know About NIL

College athlete pay can get complicated. With Icon Source, student-athletes can execute on their NIL potential through a single mobile app.

iconsource.com

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Now this will keep someone in school. Kind of figured she would be making some money, but Wow, $3.7M!!

https://athlonsports.com/college/lsus-livvy-dunne-signs-massive-nil-deal-interesting-partner-lsu-tigers-ncaa-college

 

[Heyjoe4]

No, the money isn't coming directly from the University. It is paid directly to the athlete from an outside source. Of course, athletes can make more money based off of the reputation and financial backers of a University.

Everything You Need to Know About NIL

College athlete pay can get complicated. With Icon Source, student-athletes can execute on their NIL potential through a single mobile app.

iconsource.com

Thanks Poker. I think I already asked this and you answered. Thanks again.

It is interesting that a player would possibly be better off staying in college and collecting NIL. Mixed feelings about that. NFL players are starting the game at a very young age (20 years old). These guys are at a different level athletically than 99.9% of the population. It just seems young to be playing in the NFL with such incredibly strong and fast athletes. Then again, if they're coming from the SEC, Big 10, PAC 12, ACC - they're used to some of the physical stress of football.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Maybe I could get a Mod @longtimefan @Poppa San to add to the title of this thread to include "NIL Money"?

Something like: "Transfer portal and NIL Money, how they have changed college sports".

Thank you

Speaking of NIL. Here are the top 25 earners for 2024, so far (link below).

#14: Bryce James -- $1.2 Million Bryce is non-other than LeBron's kid....still in high school.

#1. Bronny James (USC): $4.9 Million Guess who's Brother and son?

MSN

 

[Pkrjones]

Maybe I could get a Mod @longtimefan @Poppa San to add to the title of this thread to include "NIL Money"?

Something like: "Transfer portal and NIL Money, how they have changed college sports".

Thank you

Speaking of NIL. Here are the top 25 earners for 2024, so far (link below).

#14: Bryce James -- $1.2 Million Bryce is non-other than LeBron's kid....still in high school.

#1. Bronny James (USC): $4.9 Million Guess who's Brother and son?

MSN

Livvy Dunn just inked a $3.7mil deal this week, so she possibly vaults (pun intended) to #1 with $7.3mil

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Livvy Dunn just inked a $3.7mil deal this week, so she possibly vaults (pun intended) to #1 with $7.3mil

She's #3 on that list I posted, but yeah her new deal would....flip her over the top....if others haven't added to their own....beaming...piles of uneven bars of cash.

NIL money has exploded all over, so it's hard to keep track of. I read that Dunn was on trajectory to possibly make the Olympic team, but chose LSU and NIL money over it. Guess I can't blame her.

 

[longtimefan]

Maybe I could get a Mod @longtimefan @Poppa San to add to the title of this thread to include "NIL Money"?

Something like: "Transfer portal and NIL Money, how they have changed college sports".

Thank you

Speaking of NIL. Here are the top 25 earners for 2024, so far (link below).

#14: Bryce James -- $1.2 Million Bryce is non-other than LeBron's kid....still in high school.

#1. Bronny James (USC): $4.9 Million Guess who's Brother and son?

MSN

Done

 

[Heyjoe4]

Maybe I could get a Mod @longtimefan @Poppa San to add to the title of this thread to include "NIL Money"?

Something like: "Transfer portal and NIL Money, how they have changed college sports".

Thank you

Speaking of NIL. Here are the top 25 earners for 2024, so far (link below).

#14: Bryce James -- $1.2 Million Bryce is non-other than LeBron's kid....still in high school.

#1. Bronny James (USC): $4.9 Million Guess who's Brother and son?

MSN

And neither of these guys are particularly great BB players, right? Well, at least not from what I've seen. Just proves it takes money, in this case Dad's, to make money.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

And neither of these guys are particularly great BB players, right? Well, at least not from what I've seen. Just proves it takes money, in this case Dad's, to make money.

Yeah, just the limited info I could find/wanted to invest time in, big kids, but their basketball skills to date, aren't even close to their Fathers. They are both riding on their Dad's coattails with the NIL money for sure.

There is talk of Bronny playing in the NBA and I don't doubt someone, probably the Lakers, will give him a shot, just to sell tickets. LeBron's dream is to play in an NBA game with his son. Maybe if Bronny declares for the draft next year, the Bucks should nab him if they can, then trade him to the desperate to have him Lakers, for a couple of 1st rounders!